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I'd have a GT8 all day long instead. 20 years on and the GT8 will be a cult classic worth a lot of money, Spitfire 80 nice enough but just another special in the huge line of AM specials (ok it's a dealer special I know).
Each to their own of course.
I'd have a GT8 all day long instead. 20 years on and the GT8 will be a cult classic worth a lot of money, Spitfire 80 nice enough but just another special in the huge line of AM specials (ok it's a dealer special I know).
Each to their own of course.
Edited by Big Ry on Thursday 6th July 12:12
More flippin' flipping! Pretty depressing really. Having read the original thread when these cars were first announced, specified and built, I thought the buyers would be more likely to hold on to them....I guess I was wrong. I may be mistaken but wasn't one of the previous "Blades" V8s also up for sale recently too? Anyone want to hazard a guess how long it will be before one of the Red Arrows Vanquishes turns up for a nice hefty premium?......sorry if I have offended anyone, but it just seems to me that we are becoming more and more like Porsche/Ferrari etc in this respect nowadays, although AP's recent comments are reassuring going forward. It's been discussed at length elsewhere, but just look how many GT8s are out there for circa £250k.
Sad Regards
Minglar :-(
Sad Regards
Minglar :-(
Minglar said:
More flippin' flipping! Pretty depressing really. Having read the original thread when these cars were first announced, specified and built, I thought the buyers would be more likely to hold on to them....I guess I was wrong. I may be mistaken but wasn't one of the previous "Blades" V8s also up for sale recently too? Anyone want to hazard a guess how long it will be before one of the Red Arrows Vanquishes turns up for a nice hefty premium?......sorry if I have offended anyone, but it just seems to me that we are becoming more and more like Porsche/Ferrari etc in this respect nowadays, although AP's recent comments are reassuring going forward. It's been discussed at length elsewhere, but just look how many GT8s are out there for circa £250k.
Sad Regards
Minglar :-(
Sadly whilst interest rates are as low as they are, then cars, art, wines etc will always be a target for those wanting to make a quick buck! Whilst this is entirely down to the owner, I'm hoping that Andy Palmer will make good on his promise to be robust with 'Flippers'!Sad Regards
Minglar :-(
Flippin, Eck!
Again to mirror the comments above - very nice, but not at that price. Will be interesting to see how much the first AMR V12 Vantage goes up for as surely that's a lot more special than these are, being a factory special, not a dealer special.
Lets hope its a sign of things to come for other V12VSM prices. Incidentally there are only 3 left now on the official used website (excluding this car).
Again to mirror the comments above - very nice, but not at that price. Will be interesting to see how much the first AMR V12 Vantage goes up for as surely that's a lot more special than these are, being a factory special, not a dealer special.
Lets hope its a sign of things to come for other V12VSM prices. Incidentally there are only 3 left now on the official used website (excluding this car).
AdamV12V said:
Flippin, Eck!
Again to mirror the comments above - very nice, but not at that price. Will be interesting to see how much the first AMR V12 Vantage goes up for as surely that's a lot more special than these are, being a factory special, not a dealer special.
Lets hope its a sign of things to come for other V12VSM prices. Incidentally there are only 3 left now on the official used website (excluding this car).
There's already some dealer on PH classifieds asking for a slot at £300k. But presumably just kite-flying like the Valkyrie Again to mirror the comments above - very nice, but not at that price. Will be interesting to see how much the first AMR V12 Vantage goes up for as surely that's a lot more special than these are, being a factory special, not a dealer special.
Lets hope its a sign of things to come for other V12VSM prices. Incidentally there are only 3 left now on the official used website (excluding this car).
To be fair to the Spitfire owner, we don't know the circumstances (loss of employment, illness etc). So it may not be a flip. (I stress "may"!)
I try to look at the positive - Astons, particularly limited runs, are harder to get hold of now than a few years ago but the flipside (no pun intended!) is that they are less likely to depreciate. There is one thing for sure - when you can get a big discount on a new model, the saving on the list price may appear great news at first but it probably indicates the car will be a huge depreciator. The fact Astons might now be attracting the attention of the flippers is surely an indication partly that the ltd ed F & P cars are even harder to get hold of and partly that Astons are starting to prove more universally popular - it's arguably a better evil than our cars depreciating like stones
AdamV12V said:
Flippin, Eck!
Again to mirror the comments above - very nice, but not at that price. Will be interesting to see how much the first AMR V12 Vantage goes up for as surely that's a lot more special than these are, being a factory special, not a dealer special.
Lets hope its a sign of things to come for other V12VSM prices. Incidentally there are only 3 left now on the official used website (excluding this car).
Looks like a factory special to me. It may have been co-designed with a dealer, but it still carries a Q badge on the sill. I presume you can't just order up a custom badge with "Q" inscribed on it unless it is a Q car. The details on this car are phenomenal and I think it will be worth much more than is thought in the future.Again to mirror the comments above - very nice, but not at that price. Will be interesting to see how much the first AMR V12 Vantage goes up for as surely that's a lot more special than these are, being a factory special, not a dealer special.
Lets hope its a sign of things to come for other V12VSM prices. Incidentally there are only 3 left now on the official used website (excluding this car).
DB9VolanteDriver said:
Looks like a factory special to me. It may have been co-designed with a dealer, but it still carries a Q badge on the sill. I presume you can't just order up a custom badge with "Q" inscribed on it unless it is a Q car. The details on this car are phenomenal and I think it will be worth much more than is thought in the future.
They were only available through one Dealership, who were heavily involved in the design and I am sure inspired the whole idea. To me that's a dealer special, albeit I accept that Q put the design package together and the factory built them, rather than dealer adding bits.I'm not knocking the car at all, it is stunning but I can't see how a dealership special will ever prove to be as desirable as the factory AMR Vantage end of the line which appears to be now fully sold out.
A £70k premium in 12mths seems odd. You could spec a brand new car yourself identically right now (assuming there are still some of the last 20 slots free) if you really really wanted to for far less money than this. Quite probably for less than the original £180k as that included a fair chunk of cash to the RAF charity.
AdamV12V said:
They were only available through one Dealership, who were heavily involved in the design and I am sure inspired the whole idea. To me that's a dealer special, albeit I accept that Q put the design package together and the factory built them, rather than dealer adding bits.
I'm not knocking the car at all, it is stunning but I can't see how a dealership special will ever prove to be as desirable as the factory AMR Vantage end of the line which appears to be now fully sold out.
A £70k premium in 12mths seems odd. You could spec a brand new car yourself identically right now (assuming there are still some of the last 20 slots free) if you really really wanted to for far less money than this. Quite probably for less than the original £180k as that included a fair chunk of cash to the RAF charity.
there are no slots left. I heard only thing you might be able to get now is V8 AMR. I'm not knocking the car at all, it is stunning but I can't see how a dealership special will ever prove to be as desirable as the factory AMR Vantage end of the line which appears to be now fully sold out.
A £70k premium in 12mths seems odd. You could spec a brand new car yourself identically right now (assuming there are still some of the last 20 slots free) if you really really wanted to for far less money than this. Quite probably for less than the original £180k as that included a fair chunk of cash to the RAF charity.
I agree it is a big price tag. Interesting to see where prices of all the late cars go now you really can't order them.
Minglar said:
More flippin' flipping! Pretty depressing really. Having read the original thread when these cars were first announced, specified and built, I thought the buyers would be more likely to hold on to them....I guess I was wrong. I may be mistaken but wasn't one of the previous "Blades" V8s also up for sale recently too? Anyone want to hazard a guess how long it will be before one of the Red Arrows Vanquishes turns up for a nice hefty premium?......sorry if I have offended anyone, but it just seems to me that we are becoming more and more like Porsche/Ferrari etc in this respect nowadays, although AP's recent comments are reassuring going forward. It's been discussed at length elsewhere, but just look how many GT8s are out there for circa £250k.
Sad Regards
Minglar :-(
Why pay a premium when you can still order one, at least you could last week.Sad Regards
Minglar :-(
AdamV12V said:
DB9VolanteDriver said:
Looks like a factory special to me. It may have been co-designed with a dealer, but it still carries a Q badge on the sill. I presume you can't just order up a custom badge with "Q" inscribed on it unless it is a Q car. The details on this car are phenomenal and I think it will be worth much more than is thought in the future.
They were only available through one Dealership, who were heavily involved in the design and I am sure inspired the whole idea. To me that's a dealer special, albeit I accept that Q put the design package together and the factory built them, rather than dealer adding bits.A £70k premium in 12mths seems odd. You could spec a brand new car yourself identically right now (assuming there are still some of the last 20 slots free) if you really really wanted to for far less money than this. Quite probably for less than the original £180k as that included a fair chunk of cash to the RAF charity.
AMDBSVNick said:
Why pay a premium when you can still order one, at least you could last week.
But you can't order one like this. There are so many touches that mark these out as 1of8 specials that Q won't recreate.The dash knobs, the headliner, the strakes, all custom for this. Admittedly part of the premium they charged when new covered the incredible handover ceremony with the Spitfires and pilots, but I think these are incredibly special cars.
Given that a top-spec V12 AMR is around £200k, even if you could get a slot I don't think the premium is too bad. Maybe £225 would be more palatable.
I reckon these will hold value well long term though, in Aston circles they are going to be well thought of as a factory special, not a dealer one.
DB9VolanteDriver said:
AdamV12V said:
DB9VolanteDriver said:
Looks like a factory special to me. It may have been co-designed with a dealer, but it still carries a Q badge on the sill. I presume you can't just order up a custom badge with "Q" inscribed on it unless it is a Q car. The details on this car are phenomenal and I think it will be worth much more than is thought in the future.
They were only available through one Dealership, who were heavily involved in the design and I am sure inspired the whole idea. To me that's a dealer special, albeit I accept that Q put the design package together and the factory built them, rather than dealer adding bits.A £70k premium in 12mths seems odd. You could spec a brand new car yourself identically right now (assuming there are still some of the last 20 slots free) if you really really wanted to for far less money than this. Quite probably for less than the original £180k as that included a fair chunk of cash to the RAF charity.
it's the small details that really make this car, but would be impossible to replicate
if one just wants a car in the same basic colours/highlights, then that isn't worth the premium of this car but that isn't really what this car is about and if a new build slot for V12VS is available, yes it's doable & would be more sensibly priced
the argument of 'dealer special' or 'factory special' is tough - I can see both sides - this car and the other 'plane series' don't fit into any pigeonhole IMO. They are more special than N430, not as special as GT8/12 (well they are in some ways but they aren;t mechanically enhanced nor do they have unique bodywork) but they are far more special, collectible & meaningful than any other special dealer Q runs, certainly of those that have been made public
The subject matter is not of any personal interest to me hence the cars are not for me as a potential buyer, but the projects fascinate me and I could spend hours pouring over a car from each of the different plane series enjoying the detail. I guess you need to appreciate both the level of detail and the subject matter to value these cars as anything other than just a trim run
Beefmeister said:
AMDBSVNick said:
Why pay a premium when you can still order one, at least you could last week.
But you can't order one like this. There are so many touches that mark these out as 1of8 specials that Q won't recreate.The dash knobs, the headliner, the strakes, all custom for this. Admittedly part of the premium they charged when new covered the incredible handover ceremony with the Spitfires and pilots, but I think these are incredibly special cars.
Given that a top-spec V12 AMR is around £200k, even if you could get a slot I don't think the premium is too bad. Maybe £225 would be more palatable.
I reckon these will hold value well long term though, in Aston circles they are going to be well thought of as a factory special, not a dealer one.
Hi all. I've addressed a few of the points raised here, which I hope provides some answers-
1. The owner of this car has a Vanquish S Red Arrows and another car on order with limited garage space so has reluctantly decided to sell to make space
2. Only 8 of these cars exist, I'm not sure why the fact they came from us makes them less desirable, certainly none of the owners see it that way, but the fact there are so few means the opportunity to purchase may not come again for a very long time
3. The Blades car we had for sale has been purchased by a Spitfire/Vanquish S Red Arrows owner who wanted the complete set
4. This car for sale is serial number K5054, the Supermarine Spitfire prototype, which gives it some extra significance in my view
5. The cost of this car as a stand alone Q order would have been north of £200k (I know, I spec'd it) but was rationalised over 8 cars
6. The donation to the RAF Benevolent Fund was £40k and yes we built this into the project spread across the 8 cars
7. The owner and I agreed to go to market at this price, I guess we will find out if it is the right price if/when the car sells, but knowing the other Spitfire owners I don't think there will be another opportunity to own one of these in the near future.
Hope that answers most of the points.
S
1. The owner of this car has a Vanquish S Red Arrows and another car on order with limited garage space so has reluctantly decided to sell to make space
2. Only 8 of these cars exist, I'm not sure why the fact they came from us makes them less desirable, certainly none of the owners see it that way, but the fact there are so few means the opportunity to purchase may not come again for a very long time
3. The Blades car we had for sale has been purchased by a Spitfire/Vanquish S Red Arrows owner who wanted the complete set
4. This car for sale is serial number K5054, the Supermarine Spitfire prototype, which gives it some extra significance in my view
5. The cost of this car as a stand alone Q order would have been north of £200k (I know, I spec'd it) but was rationalised over 8 cars
6. The donation to the RAF Benevolent Fund was £40k and yes we built this into the project spread across the 8 cars
7. The owner and I agreed to go to market at this price, I guess we will find out if it is the right price if/when the car sells, but knowing the other Spitfire owners I don't think there will be another opportunity to own one of these in the near future.
Hope that answers most of the points.
S
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