Rover v8 plenum volume
Rover v8 plenum volume
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RobXjcoupe

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3,352 posts

108 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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A plenum volume should ideally equal the displacement of the engine, my question is this
Should the plenum volume be engine displacement plus any inlet runner volume or should plenum volume be equal to engine displacement including the inlet runner volume?
Cheers for any answers smile


carsy

3,019 posts

182 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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No idea Rob, sorry.

What you planning ?

RobXjcoupe

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3,352 posts

108 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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Was hoping to get a Thor inlet manifold good for a 4.0 tvr fitment and then do a back to back road test to see if theory works in practice.
Problem I have is my Griff is a 500 and my j reg Range Rover doesn't give a good road test compared to a tvr lol.
So back to the drawing board and back to a proper dual plane inlet manifold.
Just wondered if someone into the engine mods could confirm volumes to calculate plenum size for our lovely rover v8 engines.
Having a throttle body per cylinder is a track race car thing which is ott. So next best thing is possible a dual plane inlet with a throttle per two cylinders and running an air filter.
So a plenum per bank so to speak.
I work 7 days a week in a toolroom and it gets boring. So I'm thinking, make the most of the machines and expertise around me.
The Clive f exhaust manifolds are also on the list but I can't make those, I can make the inlet manifold though.
My 500 is Taraka spec so already has lovely flowed heads and balanced combustion chambers as I bought it but I want to add my own touch now and finish off a well modded road engine smile
That's the plan biggrin

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

277 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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I can't find the illustration of dimensions on my pc I was looking for but there's lots on goggle if you search it. It's a minefield and without R&D you may as well just give it a go.

eliot

11,929 posts

271 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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GEMs plenum is only slightly bigger than the hotwire version. Just the ends are square.

Side by side:
https://flic.kr/p/U7x5g2

Toma500

1,238 posts

270 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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Always was led to believe that a lot of people have fitted a plenum spacer to the standard plenum to up the volume and have seen gains . If yours is Taraka spec itll already have a 72 mm inlet and i think a different spec of trumpets or a blended base I suppose a blended base would increase the volume more as no trumpets in the way , im sure the spacer gives something like 15%extra volume . The search feature on here will probably show up a lot on the subject .

dnb

3,330 posts

259 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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You mean something like this?



I designed it a few years ago and CliveF built it.

The volume is a bit more than 5 litres - more like 5 each side, but the results were excellent.

RobXjcoupe

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3,352 posts

108 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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Toma500 said:
Always was led to believe that a lot of people have fitted a plenum spacer to the standard plenum to up the volume and have seen gains . If yours is Taraka spec itll already have a 72 mm inlet and i think a different spec of trumpets or a blended base I suppose a blended base would increase the volume more as no trumpets in the way , im sure the spacer gives something like 15%extra volume . The search feature on here will probably show up a lot on the subject .
It's got act inlet throttle bodies, so not a good start to measure standard volumes frown
The info I've been reading is interesting, but nothing I've found is rover v8 specific.
I think I'll remove the 3.9 inlet off my old rangie and use that as a start point if I can't find any relevant info.

TV8

3,346 posts

192 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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dnb said:
You mean something like this?



I designed it a few years ago and CliveF built it.

The volume is a bit more than 5 litres - more like 5 each side, but the results were excellent.
Looks good! Surprised that isn't a more popular conversion?

RobXjcoupe

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108 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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dnb said:
You mean something like this?



I designed it a few years ago and CliveF built it.

The volume is a bit more than 5 litres - more like 5 each side, but the results were excellent.
Yep something like that smile

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

277 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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If you want volume you could weld a box onto each side of a stock plenum and use a single or twin throttle arrangement. With packers inside you could experiment with volumes. A base plate could be used to lengthen the inlet tracts.

You'd be able to get some baseline figures before swopping parts around.

RobXjcoupe

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108 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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Boosted LS1 said:
If you want volume you could weld a box onto each side of a stock plenum and use a single or twin throttle arrangement. With packers inside you could experiment with volumes. A base plate could be used to lengthen the inlet tracts.

You'd be able to get some baseline figures before swopping parts around.
I was thinking of building something with adjustable volume and it was pointed out on another thread about firing order which is something else to incorporate. It will take me a while to get something together from scratch but it's all doable smile
My only real headache is can aftermarket management systems incorporate catalytic converters as my car is a 95?

Top Gear TVR

2,251 posts

171 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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did you ever try the adjustable plenum idea?

spitfire4v8

4,018 posts

198 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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long time thread resurrection

never really heard it said that plenum volume should equal engine volume, but a general rule is to not have it smaller than the engine volume, though what difference it makes you would only find out by testing.
In general though a large volume with plenty of pressure recovery would work well especially if you have anything upstream which is restrictive eg small throttle, air flow meter...

RobXjcoupe

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108 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Nothing came of this unfortunately, basically I suffered a stroke but with recovery and what not the project got put on the back burner and when I was getting back to normal and thinking of starting this my job is ending and being made redundant so my work toolroom facilities will be no more frown
I’m not sure of my future job at the moment

8Speed

765 posts

83 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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RobXjcoupe said:
Nothing came of this unfortunately, basically I suffered a stroke but with recovery and what not the project got put on the back burner and when I was getting back to normal and thinking of starting this my job is ending and being made redundant so my work toolroom facilities will be no more frown
I’m not sure of my future job at the moment
Sorry to hear that but hope all turns out well for you.
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RobXjcoupe

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3,352 posts

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Thursday 30th January 2020
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8Speed said:
RobXjcoupe said:
Nothing came of this unfortunately, basically I suffered a stroke but with recovery and what not the project got put on the back burner and when I was getting back to normal and thinking of starting this my job is ending and being made redundant so my work toolroom facilities will be no more frown
I’m not sure of my future job at the moment
Sorry to hear that but hope all turns out well for you.
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Thank you smile