You have £15K to spend & want a Porsche that isnt a Boxster
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...or indeed a Cayenne. Lets also assume you dont want to go down the eg. 924/ 944 route either.
So you are now torn between a 996 911 or a 987 Cayman.
The 996 911 will appreciate in value, or at least is unlikely to depreciate. Here is what its not unlikely to do; break. Yes, failure rates are low- the dreaded IMS bork happens to <5% of cars. Bore score is also scary, and is more likely to happen on a later 3.6 car. So buy one with a Hartech (or similar) rebuild, or keep a war chest back for if/ when it does go pop- either way, its no longer a <£15K car once youve tried to give yourself some peace of mind.
Then theres the Cayman. Sensible miles 2.7 examples can be had from £12K, and some Porsche owners clubs would have you believe that the 2.7 is actually fairly sound. The same seemingly cannot be said for the 3.4, which is also susceptible to bore score. You dont have a 911, but you do have a handsome, modern(ish) Porsche that handles rather nicely.
One could almost be forgiven for thinking the 2.7 Cayman is the bargain of the <£15K used Porsche world (assuming you dont mind a bit more depreciation).
So tell me why I shouldnt buy a ~£12K 2.7 Cayman, and keep afew quid of my budget back to maintain the thing?
So you are now torn between a 996 911 or a 987 Cayman.
The 996 911 will appreciate in value, or at least is unlikely to depreciate. Here is what its not unlikely to do; break. Yes, failure rates are low- the dreaded IMS bork happens to <5% of cars. Bore score is also scary, and is more likely to happen on a later 3.6 car. So buy one with a Hartech (or similar) rebuild, or keep a war chest back for if/ when it does go pop- either way, its no longer a <£15K car once youve tried to give yourself some peace of mind.
Then theres the Cayman. Sensible miles 2.7 examples can be had from £12K, and some Porsche owners clubs would have you believe that the 2.7 is actually fairly sound. The same seemingly cannot be said for the 3.4, which is also susceptible to bore score. You dont have a 911, but you do have a handsome, modern(ish) Porsche that handles rather nicely.
One could almost be forgiven for thinking the 2.7 Cayman is the bargain of the <£15K used Porsche world (assuming you dont mind a bit more depreciation).
So tell me why I shouldnt buy a ~£12K 2.7 Cayman, and keep afew quid of my budget back to maintain the thing?
For me the 944 Turbo is the best car Porsche built.
Closely followed by the Caymen 2.7 which excellent although no macho arches like the 944.
The 968 is a true drivers car but you will always hanker for another 100bhp as the chassis is that good.
928 is a V8 !
The above would be on my list rather than a 911.
Closely followed by the Caymen 2.7 which excellent although no macho arches like the 944.
The 968 is a true drivers car but you will always hanker for another 100bhp as the chassis is that good.
928 is a V8 !
The above would be on my list rather than a 911.
daveofedinburgh said:
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So tell me why I shouldnt buy a ~£12K 2.7 Cayman, and keep afew quid of my budget back to maintain the thing?
Because you'll be judged as not being able to afford a 911.... Most average Joe's can tell the difference between a real Porsche, and their other supporting models... So tell me why I shouldnt buy a ~£12K 2.7 Cayman, and keep afew quid of my budget back to maintain the thing?
Ceeejay said:
Because you'll be judged as not being able to afford a 911.... Most average Joe's can tell the difference between a real Porsche, and their other supporting models...
Bought a 987 Cayman & couldn't give a toss what anyone else thinks I can & can't afford. Bizarre way to live, worrying about other people's prejudices.Ceeejay said:
daveofedinburgh said:
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So tell me why I shouldnt buy a ~£12K 2.7 Cayman, and keep afew quid of my budget back to maintain the thing?
Because you'll be judged as not being able to afford a 911.... Most average Joe's can tell the difference between a real Porsche, and their other supporting models... So tell me why I shouldnt buy a ~£12K 2.7 Cayman, and keep afew quid of my budget back to maintain the thing?
Reading between the lines, the OP actually wants a 911 but £15k doesn't cut it without big risk of bork.
My suggestion is simple but boring. Carry on saving until your money gets you one with a sorted engine or a model without the probs, Or at least a bork fund for a rebuild which would take the dread out of the experience.
Yes you could jump into a Cayman (probably) but unless you really want one, why do it?
My suggestion is simple but boring. Carry on saving until your money gets you one with a sorted engine or a model without the probs, Or at least a bork fund for a rebuild which would take the dread out of the experience.
Yes you could jump into a Cayman (probably) but unless you really want one, why do it?
md4776 said:
Its not the point though, as car people we dont buy cars we think we'll be admired for.
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My comment was just reflecting a widly held stereotype... if you want a Porsche, which the OP clearly does, you buy a 911... ]
However... I would say that many many "car people" would buy a car they think they would be admired for... That may not be you, or other respondents, but for an awful lot of people a car is part of their status to the outside world. But thats off topic for somewhere in the lounge....
My sensible answer... You want a 911.. wait a bit longer until you can afford what you want.
swisstoni said:
My suggestion is simple but boring. Carry on saving until your money gets you one with a sorted engine or a model without the probs, Or at least a bork fund for a rebuild which would take the dread out of the experience.
However when it feels like Porsches are appreciating faster than you can save it becomes demoralising. About three/four years ago I could have afforded a decent GT3, now the same money wouldn't get me into the same car that is now three/four years older. I had thought that I would be able to pick up a GT3 RS if they had depreciated as Porsches had in the past rather than the massive appreciation that actually occurred. The models that suffer with bore score are available for a discount, but at some point this will dry up as these models under go a rebuild to permanently resolve the issue.Even if I won the lottery I wouldn't buy one as it feels like a correction will occur at some point and I would feel physically sick if I lost £50k overnight on a GT3.
tankplanker said:
swisstoni said:
My suggestion is simple but boring. Carry on saving until your money gets you one with a sorted engine or a model without the probs, Or at least a bork fund for a rebuild which would take the dread out of the experience.
However when it feels like Porsches are appreciating faster than you can save it becomes demoralising. About three/four years ago I could have afforded a decent GT3, now the same money wouldn't get me into the same car that is now three/four years older. I had thought that I would be able to pick up a GT3 RS if they had depreciated as Porsches had in the past rather than the massive appreciation that actually occurred. The models that suffer with bore score are available for a discount, but at some point this will dry up as these models under go a rebuild to permanently resolve the issue.Even if I won the lottery I wouldn't buy one as it feels like a correction will occur at some point and I would feel physically sick if I lost £50k overnight on a GT3.
This at least gets you 'on the ladder' before prices move totally out of range. (If you believe that's what's going to happen. I'm not sure that prices can continue to rise like they have in recent but that's for another thread).
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