5.5 biturbo CLS/E 63 ?
Discussion
Just noticing these getting cheaper, am not in a position to buy at the moment as have other commitments, just interested as to how they are faring reliability/costs wise ?
25 grand seems entry level, possibly be able to get one cheaper but its a hell of a car for that with a minimum of 527 bhp, bit more than the NA 6.2 ones but with a load more torque and scope for further power, 700 bhp seems achievable, anyone running one at that ?
Noticed the brakes are very expensive, 55 engined cars seem to avoid this, but nothing with a 63 does, a grand or so for front disks and pads.I am thinkign that they shouldnt be that horrendous to run otherwise beyond £485 VED and the fuel economy, which actually seems better than my M273 engined CLS, certainly no worse.
Are the engines holding up, I know there were some rod bold issues with the 63 N/A cars, but these seem ok so far and the 55 engines never really seem to struggle beyond rocker gaskets, Supercharger pumps and some other minor stuff, hopefully these are as strong.
What about the rest of the W212/C218 ?
Suppose its on my list for a couple of years hence ones the kids are done at uni.
25 grand seems entry level, possibly be able to get one cheaper but its a hell of a car for that with a minimum of 527 bhp, bit more than the NA 6.2 ones but with a load more torque and scope for further power, 700 bhp seems achievable, anyone running one at that ?
Noticed the brakes are very expensive, 55 engined cars seem to avoid this, but nothing with a 63 does, a grand or so for front disks and pads.I am thinkign that they shouldnt be that horrendous to run otherwise beyond £485 VED and the fuel economy, which actually seems better than my M273 engined CLS, certainly no worse.
Are the engines holding up, I know there were some rod bold issues with the 63 N/A cars, but these seem ok so far and the 55 engines never really seem to struggle beyond rocker gaskets, Supercharger pumps and some other minor stuff, hopefully these are as strong.
What about the rest of the W212/C218 ?
Suppose its on my list for a couple of years hence ones the kids are done at uni.
ZX10R NIN said:
They're pretty robust no major worries 700bhp isn't far away with a map & a little other work.
Mine's (2013 MY) at 35K miles now and running well. 630bhp 730lb/ft torque remap. No other work needed in my view as it's ridiculously quick as it is. Yes, that's the dyno figure before anyone asks. Original discs, replaced pads. Oil consumption has dropped off a bit and to be honest I'm enjoying the car more than ever. Spent money on upgrading the stereo (amplifier and sound processor), standard speakers are pretty good. Getting an average of 21 mpg on super. Alloys slightly corroded, so expect to be bent over by MB next year if I don't change the car. Bought the car with 22K on the clock and a new set of Continentals which will need replacing soon.popeyewhite said:
ZX10R NIN said:
They're pretty robust no major worries 700bhp isn't far away with a map & a little other work.
Mine's (2013 MY) at 35K miles now and running well. 630bhp 730lb/ft torque remap. No other work needed in my view as it's ridiculously quick as it is. Yes, that's the dyno figure before anyone asks. Original discs, replaced pads. Oil consumption has dropped off a bit and to be honest I'm enjoying the car more than ever. Spent money on upgrading the stereo (amplifier and sound processor), standard speakers are pretty good. Getting an average of 21 mpg on super. Alloys slightly corroded, so expect to be bent over by MB next year if I don't change the car. Bought the car with 22K on the clock and a new set of Continentals which will need replacing soon.
Nailed on it was "Mycroft" that, same vernacular, same approach and he didnt answer me, knew way more than any normal person should about Soarers.
Be interesting to see where they go price wise.
J4CKO said:
Be interesting to see where they go price wise.
I agree. But with the new very highly regarded - and expensive - E63s coming onto the market now I wouldn't expect prices of the earlier 5.5 to drop much more (I know this flies in the face of convention). In fact they haven't dropped much at all recently. You never know though... .The 5.5's won't drop much even with the new 4.0TT (the price being a big factor atm) being a very good engine it's not the sledgehammer the 5.5 is which in turn isn't an improvement on the 6.2, I will say the throttle response is better on the new 4.0 but as the yanks say there's no replacement for displacement 
J4CKO said:
popeyewhite said:
ZX10R NIN said:
They're pretty robust no major worries 700bhp isn't far away with a map & a little other work.
Mine's (2013 MY) at 35K miles now and running well. 630bhp 730lb/ft torque remap. No other work needed in my view as it's ridiculously quick as it is. Yes, that's the dyno figure before anyone asks. Original discs, replaced pads. Oil consumption has dropped off a bit and to be honest I'm enjoying the car more than ever. Spent money on upgrading the stereo (amplifier and sound processor), standard speakers are pretty good. Getting an average of 21 mpg on super. Alloys slightly corroded, so expect to be bent over by MB next year if I don't change the car. Bought the car with 22K on the clock and a new set of Continentals which will need replacing soon.Nailed on it was "Mycroft" that, same vernacular, same approach and he didnt answer me, knew way more than any normal person should about Soarers.
Be interesting to see where they go price wise.
I know about the Soarer shat because a local peado hunting group here bagged a near 70 year old paedo who was expecting to meet a 14 year old. He rocked up in a Lexus SC, but the numberplate check showed it was a "Gold Toyota" and so the lads thought he was on false plates. Turned out, it was an Jap import Toyota Soarer which had been a write off. The paedo had it repaired in this country and rebadged as a Lexus SC.
http://www.kentlive.news/man-arrested-after-8216-p...
This is his motor getting smashed up when he legged it back up north and the locals found out what he'd been up to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnZwVuFtG_Y
And here, at 2:50, you hear the paedo being questioned about why his car reg plate came back as a Toyota when it's badged as a Lexus
https://youtu.be/yq5t8Ry3Th0
So please, calm down. But yes, your festa is probably 110bhp. Prove me wrong, get it dyno'd. If not, then shut up!
Back on topic: -
I owned mine (2013 E Class) for over 3 1/2 years and did an awful amount to it in that time. I finished up with around 860bhp and close to 1,000ft/lbs, though this was not just with a remap.
A stock engine can be mapped to over 700bhp with reasonable torque, though to get it up from there involves an awful amount of work on the breathing side of things, in particular the small downpipes from the turbos back. Then lots of other stuff, none of which is cheap.
As far as I'm aware, the only known fault on the M157 engines is a timing chain rattle, caused by the lack of a non-return valve in the heads. This is a recognised issue and documented by Mercedes but good luck getting them to pay anything towards it. I managed a 60% contribution from them, though I have a very good relationship with my dealership and the car had full MB history.
Mine is now sold and will be replaced next week with a W213 E63s, though that will be staying standard until someone manages to map one without blowing the ECU up. I'm not being a guinea pig this time...
I owned mine (2013 E Class) for over 3 1/2 years and did an awful amount to it in that time. I finished up with around 860bhp and close to 1,000ft/lbs, though this was not just with a remap.
A stock engine can be mapped to over 700bhp with reasonable torque, though to get it up from there involves an awful amount of work on the breathing side of things, in particular the small downpipes from the turbos back. Then lots of other stuff, none of which is cheap.
As far as I'm aware, the only known fault on the M157 engines is a timing chain rattle, caused by the lack of a non-return valve in the heads. This is a recognised issue and documented by Mercedes but good luck getting them to pay anything towards it. I managed a 60% contribution from them, though I have a very good relationship with my dealership and the car had full MB history.
Mine is now sold and will be replaced next week with a W213 E63s, though that will be staying standard until someone manages to map one without blowing the ECU up. I'm not being a guinea pig this time...
Chest Rockwell said:
J4CKO said:
popeyewhite said:
ZX10R NIN said:
They're pretty robust no major worries 700bhp isn't far away with a map & a little other work.
Mine's (2013 MY) at 35K miles now and running well. 630bhp 730lb/ft torque remap. No other work needed in my view as it's ridiculously quick as it is. Yes, that's the dyno figure before anyone asks. Original discs, replaced pads. Oil consumption has dropped off a bit and to be honest I'm enjoying the car more than ever. Spent money on upgrading the stereo (amplifier and sound processor), standard speakers are pretty good. Getting an average of 21 mpg on super. Alloys slightly corroded, so expect to be bent over by MB next year if I don't change the car. Bought the car with 22K on the clock and a new set of Continentals which will need replacing soon.Nailed on it was "Mycroft" that, same vernacular, same approach and he didnt answer me, knew way more than any normal person should about Soarers.
Be interesting to see where they go price wise.
I know about the Soarer shat because a local peado hunting group here bagged a near 70 year old paedo who was expecting to meet a 14 year old. He rocked up in a Lexus SC, but the numberplate check showed it was a "Gold Toyota" and so the lads thought he was on false plates. Turned out, it was an Jap import Toyota Soarer which had been a write off. The paedo had it repaired in this country and rebadged as a Lexus SC.
http://www.kentlive.news/man-arrested-after-8216-p...
This is his motor getting smashed up when he legged it back up north and the locals found out what he'd been up to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnZwVuFtG_Y
And here, at 2:50, you hear the paedo being questioned about why his car reg plate came back as a Toyota when it's badged as a Lexus
https://youtu.be/yq5t8Ry3Th0
So please, calm down. But yes, your festa is probably 110bhp. Prove me wrong, get it dyno'd. If not, then shut up!
So, lets just leave it there and be civil, I really dont need to prove anything, if you say its 110 bhp then thats fine, it may well be, not really going to pay to dyno it and explain to my wife I need to prove the power figures of your car to a man on the internet who says it isnt as powerful as I say it is. I still cant get my head round the fact that Ford offers 125 and 140 varieties of the same engine yet a remapped 100 cannot possibly be more than 110 bhp, but whatever, I am not hear to fall out or battle anyone, its meant to be fun !
daveenty said:
Back on topic: -
I owned mine (2013 E Class) for over 3 1/2 years and did an awful amount to it in that time. I finished up with around 860bhp and close to 1,000ft/lbs, though this was not just with a remap.
A stock engine can be mapped to over 700bhp with reasonable torque, though to get it up from there involves an awful amount of work on the breathing side of things, in particular the small downpipes from the turbos back. Then lots of other stuff, none of which is cheap.
As far as I'm aware, the only known fault on the M157 engines is a timing chain rattle, caused by the lack of a non-return valve in the heads. This is a recognised issue and documented by Mercedes but good luck getting them to pay anything towards it. I managed a 60% contribution from them, though I have a very good relationship with my dealership and the car had full MB history.
Mine is now sold and will be replaced next week with a W213 E63s, though that will be staying standard until someone manages to map one without blowing the ECU up. I'm not being a guinea pig this time...
860 bhp, Jesus, how was the traction ? any videos of it ?I owned mine (2013 E Class) for over 3 1/2 years and did an awful amount to it in that time. I finished up with around 860bhp and close to 1,000ft/lbs, though this was not just with a remap.
A stock engine can be mapped to over 700bhp with reasonable torque, though to get it up from there involves an awful amount of work on the breathing side of things, in particular the small downpipes from the turbos back. Then lots of other stuff, none of which is cheap.
As far as I'm aware, the only known fault on the M157 engines is a timing chain rattle, caused by the lack of a non-return valve in the heads. This is a recognised issue and documented by Mercedes but good luck getting them to pay anything towards it. I managed a 60% contribution from them, though I have a very good relationship with my dealership and the car had full MB history.
Mine is now sold and will be replaced next week with a W213 E63s, though that will be staying standard until someone manages to map one without blowing the ECU up. I'm not being a guinea pig this time...
I still find my 382 bhp car fairly rapid though am occasionally finding I could do with a smidge more, not really a need, more a want and I will want something newer, will be another year and I change my mind all the time, F10 M5's are getting cheaper, there is the XFR as well.
J4CKO said:
860 bhp, Jesus, how was the traction ? any videos of it ?
The car was surprisingly well mannered and drove well, though traction is always going to be a challenge. I had my best results with a custom map to smooth it all out, and Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 2s on the rear. Obviously it had to be treated with a bit of respect but in normal driving it was just like any other car.I've found one video on THE MSL DYNO courtesy of Weistec Engineering, though there are a few more kicking about somewhere. The extra ballast in the boot is there because it kept leaping off the rollers.
J4CKO said:
I still find my 382 bhp car fairly rapid though am occasionally finding I could do with a smidge more, not really a need, more a want and I will want something newer, will be another year and I change my mind all the time, F10 M5's are getting cheaper, there is the XFR as well.
I happened to have an XFR before the Mercedes, and found it a lot less controllable, especially in the wet...I have had my 2013 face lift E63 since Nov 16. Bought it with 36k on the clock and now up to around 48k. Only standard at the moment but considering a re-map, but who with and who by, TBC.
I have had to replace the air con sensor, but only £110 fitted and 80% worn front discs and pads and had to top up the oil a couple of times but apart from that, all good.
I do a lot of motorway miles and get around 28-31mpg most of the times, and average overall around 24-25mpg on a tank.
Only issue I have, and this is a personal thing, I need to get the alcantara on the steering wheel cleaned up and refreshed as it is looking a little worn and tired.
I have had to replace the air con sensor, but only £110 fitted and 80% worn front discs and pads and had to top up the oil a couple of times but apart from that, all good.
I do a lot of motorway miles and get around 28-31mpg most of the times, and average overall around 24-25mpg on a tank.
Only issue I have, and this is a personal thing, I need to get the alcantara on the steering wheel cleaned up and refreshed as it is looking a little worn and tired.
Chris200 said:
I have had my 2013 face lift E63 since Nov 16. Bought it with 36k on the clock and now up to around 48k. Only standard at the moment but considering a re-map, but who with and who by, TBC.
I have had to replace the air con sensor, but only £110 fitted and 80% worn front discs and pads and had to top up the oil a couple of times but apart from that, all good.
I do a lot of motorway miles and get around 28-31mpg most of the times, and average overall around 24-25mpg on a tank.
Only issue I have, and this is a personal thing, I need to get the alcantara on the steering wheel cleaned up and refreshed as it is looking a little worn and tired.
Be gentle, a soft sponge with warm soapy water will do the trick. Don't scrub, just wet gently then dab dry with a towel. Leave to dry fior a couple of hours. I know it sounds obvious but I'm aware of at least two people who've knackered the alcantara by scrubbing it!I have had to replace the air con sensor, but only £110 fitted and 80% worn front discs and pads and had to top up the oil a couple of times but apart from that, all good.
I do a lot of motorway miles and get around 28-31mpg most of the times, and average overall around 24-25mpg on a tank.
Only issue I have, and this is a personal thing, I need to get the alcantara on the steering wheel cleaned up and refreshed as it is looking a little worn and tired.
Chris200 said:
I have had my 2013 face lift E63 since Nov 16. Bought it with 36k on the clock and now up to around 48k. Only standard at the moment but considering a re-map, but who with and who by, TBC.
I have had to replace the air con sensor, but only £110 fitted and 80% worn front discs and pads and had to top up the oil a couple of times but apart from that, all good.
I do a lot of motorway miles and get around 28-31mpg most of the times, and average overall around 24-25mpg on a tank.
Only issue I have, and this is a personal thing, I need to get the alcantara on the steering wheel cleaned up and refreshed as it is looking a little worn and tired.
How much were the disk and pads out of interest ?I have had to replace the air con sensor, but only £110 fitted and 80% worn front discs and pads and had to top up the oil a couple of times but apart from that, all good.
I do a lot of motorway miles and get around 28-31mpg most of the times, and average overall around 24-25mpg on a tank.
Only issue I have, and this is a personal thing, I need to get the alcantara on the steering wheel cleaned up and refreshed as it is looking a little worn and tired.
Chris200 said:
Only standard at the moment but considering a re-map, but who with and who by,
MSL of courseChris200 said:
Only issue I have, and this is a personal thing, I need to get the alcantara on the steering wheel cleaned up and refreshed as it is looking a little worn and tired.
https://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/detailing/227742-restored-my-amg-e63-alcantara-steering-wheel.htmlJ4CKO said:
How much were the disk and pads out of interest ?
Not replaced yet, waiting for the wear indicators to come on. Merc are quoting around £1500 fitted and some independents around £1100 but eBay from Mercedes Dealers as per below....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Genuine-Mercedes-Ben...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Brake-Pads-Discs-A...
T5R+ said:
Chris200 said:
Only standard at the moment but considering a re-map, but who with and who by,
MSL of courseChris200 said:
Only issue I have, and this is a personal thing, I need to get the alcantara on the steering wheel cleaned up and refreshed as it is looking a little worn and tired.
https://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/detailing/227742-restored-my-amg-e63-alcantara-steering-wheel.htmlThanks for the link, this will be useful!
Gassing Station | Mercedes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff