HDCP 2.2 rant thread
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This is new to me and frankly it is annoying.
But thankfully I'm not one of the unlucky ones who splashed out on a 4k TV that is not HDCP2.2 compliant. If I were I'd be really really annoyed, more than I am already.
For those that don't know this HDCP thing is for copy protection and has evolved with the newest AV kit. Basically everything in the chain has to be 2.2 or computer say NO.
My awareness of this happened when I connected a Virgin V6 box through my Marantz NR1506 receiver and then on to my old (2012) 1080p telly. I got a message, generated by the Marantz on the screen saying "Your TV is not HDCP2.2 compliant".
As far as I can establish I have three options;
1, Go out and buy a new TV which is 2.2 compliant. This is tempting as I'd like to upsize from my current 42" to a 55" anyway but I'm not in the slightest bit bothered about 4k as at the distance I view at, even on a 55" there is no gain in having 2160 over 1080.
2, Use an HDMI cable from the V6 directly to the TV (which will apparently work) and a TOSlink optical cable from the V6 to the Marantz. The joy of having the pass through feature would be lost and I'd be back to having to use two remotes to change source. I currently have a Bluray, a NowTV box and an Amazon box all nicely wired up which work perfectly with the pass through function.
3, Get an HDMI 1.4 to HDMI 2.0 converter which seem to be available. I'm struggling however to establish if one of these would be HDCP2.2 and would solve the problem.
And also, I deeply regret giving up the old Virgin V+ box. It just worked and was very easy to use. These TIVO based things, which the V6 is are a bit crap in my opinion and are a backward step in terms of usability.
To conclude the rant;
If anyone is about to press the button and buy any AV kit, swat up on HDCP2.2 and make sure you future proof yourself.
And, does anyone have any experience with one of the 1.4 to 2.0 coverters? Are they 2.2 compliant etc?
I used to love technology but nearing my 50's I'm quickly turning away from it. I can see me buying a one of those phones with really big buttons soon!
But thankfully I'm not one of the unlucky ones who splashed out on a 4k TV that is not HDCP2.2 compliant. If I were I'd be really really annoyed, more than I am already.
For those that don't know this HDCP thing is for copy protection and has evolved with the newest AV kit. Basically everything in the chain has to be 2.2 or computer say NO.
My awareness of this happened when I connected a Virgin V6 box through my Marantz NR1506 receiver and then on to my old (2012) 1080p telly. I got a message, generated by the Marantz on the screen saying "Your TV is not HDCP2.2 compliant".
As far as I can establish I have three options;
1, Go out and buy a new TV which is 2.2 compliant. This is tempting as I'd like to upsize from my current 42" to a 55" anyway but I'm not in the slightest bit bothered about 4k as at the distance I view at, even on a 55" there is no gain in having 2160 over 1080.
2, Use an HDMI cable from the V6 directly to the TV (which will apparently work) and a TOSlink optical cable from the V6 to the Marantz. The joy of having the pass through feature would be lost and I'd be back to having to use two remotes to change source. I currently have a Bluray, a NowTV box and an Amazon box all nicely wired up which work perfectly with the pass through function.
3, Get an HDMI 1.4 to HDMI 2.0 converter which seem to be available. I'm struggling however to establish if one of these would be HDCP2.2 and would solve the problem.
And also, I deeply regret giving up the old Virgin V+ box. It just worked and was very easy to use. These TIVO based things, which the V6 is are a bit crap in my opinion and are a backward step in terms of usability.
To conclude the rant;
If anyone is about to press the button and buy any AV kit, swat up on HDCP2.2 and make sure you future proof yourself.
And, does anyone have any experience with one of the 1.4 to 2.0 coverters? Are they 2.2 compliant etc?
I used to love technology but nearing my 50's I'm quickly turning away from it. I can see me buying a one of those phones with really big buttons soon!
Edited by colin_p on Wednesday 30th August 22:41
mp3manager said:
Yes, all this copy protection nonsense is all a bit crap for the end user.
Sounds like you may need an HD Fury for option 3.
Indeed, however their stuff is a bit pricy.Sounds like you may need an HD Fury for option 3.
Edited by mp3manager on Thursday 31st August 01:05
Do you think this would do the job at $45,000 / £34,835?
https://www.hdfury.com/product/hdmidvi-d-to-hdmidv...
More seriously, the converters I've seen seem to be about £100 and that is 10-15% towards a new telly.
HDMI source to TV, toslink source to amp.
Use amp remote for volume, source remote for channel switching etc.
Not really the end of the world and it's what thousands of people do who refuse to change perfectly decent and costly AV kit that doesn't 'do' 2.2.
Edited to add:
HDR and DV brings more to the party than the jump from 1080P to 2160 in my experience - go get that new TV!
Get a 65" OLED and thank me later
Use amp remote for volume, source remote for channel switching etc.
Not really the end of the world and it's what thousands of people do who refuse to change perfectly decent and costly AV kit that doesn't 'do' 2.2.
Edited to add:
HDR and DV brings more to the party than the jump from 1080P to 2160 in my experience - go get that new TV!
Get a 65" OLED and thank me later
Edited by legzr1 on Thursday 31st August 03:16
legzr1 said:
HDMI source to TV, toslink source to amp.
Use amp remote for volume, source remote for channel switching etc.
Not really the end of the world and it's what thousands of people do who refuse to change perfectly decent and costly AV kit that doesn't 'do' 2.2.
Edited to add:
HDR and DV brings more to the party than the jump from 1080P to 2160 in my experience - go get that new TV!
Get a 65" OLED and thank me later
I'm on my 3rd AV Amp now. The first two are alive and well and are still used daily. Also still have my first non AV amp, a Technics jobby (circa 1985) which dutifully still serves in the garage with a small DAB radio plugged into it.Use amp remote for volume, source remote for channel switching etc.
Not really the end of the world and it's what thousands of people do who refuse to change perfectly decent and costly AV kit that doesn't 'do' 2.2.
Edited to add:
HDR and DV brings more to the party than the jump from 1080P to 2160 in my experience - go get that new TV!
Get a 65" OLED and thank me later
Edited by legzr1 on Thursday 31st August 03:16
I really love the pass through feature which switches both the picture and sound with a single button press. It does indeed look like the simplest solution would be to go back to the roughing old days of two button presses with the V6 direct to the telly and a toslink to the amp.
As for a 65", that would be grounds for a divorce in this house!
Edited by colin_p on Thursday 31st August 03:51
I had issues with the V6 box going through a HDCP 2.2 compliant AV amp but in my case outputting to a non 4k tv.
In the end I plugged the HDMI into a non 2.2 port on the AV Amp (used the dvd input) and changed the settings on the V6 box to 1080p
The V6 box is notorious for throwing up handshake issues and Virgin have known about it for ages but have done nothing.
In the end I plugged the HDMI into a non 2.2 port on the AV Amp (used the dvd input) and changed the settings on the V6 box to 1080p
The V6 box is notorious for throwing up handshake issues and Virgin have known about it for ages but have done nothing.
colin_p said:
I'm on my 3rd AV Amp now. The first two are alive and well and are still used daily. Also still have my first non AV amp, a Technics jobby (circa 1985) which dutifully still serves in the garage with a small DAB radio plugged into it.
I feel your pain, as have many others.Expensive and frustrating trying to keep ahead of the constant updates.
Not much help to you but I went separate pro/power last year - it means I only need to change the processor if/when my current model becomes obsolete.
colin_p said:
I really love the pass through feature which switches both the picture and sound with a single button press. It does indeed look like the simplest solution would be to go back to the roughing old days of two button presses with the V6 direct to the telly and a toslink to the amp.
I just think back to the good old days when it took 15 minutes to switch everything on and remember where the 11 remote controls were and what sequence to use to get DD playing correctly.2 button presses doesn't seem too bad considering.
colin_p said:
As for a 65", that would be grounds for a divorce in this house!
As I said, thank me later What a crock of s
t. This is something I could very easily have been burnt with myself had one of my bits failed & been replaced. I dread to imagine that headaches that would have given me - sorry OP!
Once again honest consumers get screwed by it, whilst those up to no good can bypass it without so much as a moments thought. I love watching films, but the entire industry behind them constantly comes across as greedy and ignorant.
edit: +1 for a Harmony 'one remote does it all'. I love mine, but takes a bit of patience to learn the software logic behind it. Very good remotes though.
t. This is something I could very easily have been burnt with myself had one of my bits failed & been replaced. I dread to imagine that headaches that would have given me - sorry OP!Once again honest consumers get screwed by it, whilst those up to no good can bypass it without so much as a moments thought. I love watching films, but the entire industry behind them constantly comes across as greedy and ignorant.
edit: +1 for a Harmony 'one remote does it all'. I love mine, but takes a bit of patience to learn the software logic behind it. Very good remotes though.
Quick update on this.
I've wired the V6 up the old fashioned way direct to the TV with an HDMI and then with a Toslink from the V6 to the amp. Not ideal and am back to the button pressing on two remotes.
The splitters that defeat the 2.2 are about £50 so not worth it and the few multi remote controls I've had have never really worked properly. They may have moved on a bit but I'd need one which you could program with a macro to do multiple button presses upon a single button press. I'm sure the top end ones would and can do this but again they cost a bomb and would be nearly half as much as a new telly.
I've wired the V6 up the old fashioned way direct to the TV with an HDMI and then with a Toslink from the V6 to the amp. Not ideal and am back to the button pressing on two remotes.
The splitters that defeat the 2.2 are about £50 so not worth it and the few multi remote controls I've had have never really worked properly. They may have moved on a bit but I'd need one which you could program with a macro to do multiple button presses upon a single button press. I'm sure the top end ones would and can do this but again they cost a bomb and would be nearly half as much as a new telly.
colin_p said:
Quick update on this.
They may have moved on a bit but I'd need one which you could program with a macro to do multiple button presses upon a single button press. I'm sure the top end ones would and can do this but again they cost a bomb and would be nearly half as much as a new telly.
They do, I press 'Power on Sky' via the little touchscreen and it turns the TV on to HDMi1, turns the AMP on and sets it to SKY and turns the Sky Box on via the 'TV Guide Button'. They may have moved on a bit but I'd need one which you could program with a macro to do multiple button presses upon a single button press. I'm sure the top end ones would and can do this but again they cost a bomb and would be nearly half as much as a new telly.
or.. 'Kodi' and it powers on the TV, sets it to HDMi 2, powers up the AMP and changes it to 'Kodi' where it pulls the TV audio via optical back to my amp.
Very smart bit of kit, and I couldn't be without it for TV, Kodi, Sky, Blu Ray etc etc....
This is what you would need....
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Harmony-Ultimate...
Yup, the Harmony does that.
Easy to program as well, just tell it what devices you have and what needs to be on for each and it's done.
Mine turns on the tv, amp and humax puts the tv on hdmi 1 and the amp on the right channel. I also have an Echo/Alex so when I'm in the kitchen I can say Alexa turn on Netflix and she tells Harmony and the TV is turned on and put onto the right channel for Netflix.
Easy to program as well, just tell it what devices you have and what needs to be on for each and it's done.
Mine turns on the tv, amp and humax puts the tv on hdmi 1 and the amp on the right channel. I also have an Echo/Alex so when I'm in the kitchen I can say Alexa turn on Netflix and she tells Harmony and the TV is turned on and put onto the right channel for Netflix.
colin_p said:
Quick update on this.
I've wired the V6 up the old fashioned way direct to the TV with an HDMI and then with a Toslink from the V6 to the amp. Not ideal and am back to the button pressing on two remotes.
The splitters that defeat the 2.2 are about £50 so not worth it and the few multi remote controls I've had have never really worked properly. They may have moved on a bit but I'd need one which you could program with a macro to do multiple button presses upon a single button press. I'm sure the top end ones would and can do this but again they cost a bomb and would be nearly half as much as a new telly.
I bought a dirt cheap (£15!) One For All URC-7140 which has a macro function.I've wired the V6 up the old fashioned way direct to the TV with an HDMI and then with a Toslink from the V6 to the amp. Not ideal and am back to the button pressing on two remotes.
The splitters that defeat the 2.2 are about £50 so not worth it and the few multi remote controls I've had have never really worked properly. They may have moved on a bit but I'd need one which you could program with a macro to do multiple button presses upon a single button press. I'm sure the top end ones would and can do this but again they cost a bomb and would be nearly half as much as a new telly.
I press and hold the power button for ~2 seconds and everything switches on, I can change channels on my FreeSat box, adjust the volume on my amp etc.
Press and hold the power button for ~2 seconds a second time, and everything switches off.
So simple and easy (this coming from someone who previously had a Logitech Harmony 550 a few years back).
Bullett said:
Yup, the Harmony does that.
Easy to program as well, just tell it what devices you have and what needs to be on for each and it's done.
Mine turns on the tv, amp and humax puts the tv on hdmi 1 and the amp on the right channel. I also have an Echo/Alex so when I'm in the kitchen I can say Alexa turn on Netflix and she tells Harmony and the TV is turned on and put onto the right channel for Netflix.
I love that feature as well, when playing music.... ''Alexa, tell harmony to TURN IT UUUUUP!'' Makes me feel younger & hipper again. Easy to program as well, just tell it what devices you have and what needs to be on for each and it's done.
Mine turns on the tv, amp and humax puts the tv on hdmi 1 and the amp on the right channel. I also have an Echo/Alex so when I'm in the kitchen I can say Alexa turn on Netflix and she tells Harmony and the TV is turned on and put onto the right channel for Netflix.
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