968 Vs 944 Vs 911

[Biscuit761]

Saw an add for a nice 968 today, looked good.

Any views about these in comparison to a 944. Do not know much about them, what engines are best, may be more usable every day than 911.

[James s]

My journey has been 964 - 944 - 968 - 993

All can be lived with everyday, though the 968 was a CS so things like the racing seats and lack of covered boot space made every day a bit tricky.

944/968 feels lot more like 'other cars'. 911 feels most special.

I'm really glad I tried the other two - whilst the turbo was amazing, i didn't really enjoy the slow/ fast nature of it. If you are prepared to spend a bit of money on development and ultimate power is important though its a great choice

968 handling really is fantastically forgiving and I learnt a bit from it. I would love to drive one with the supercharger kit. 350 bph in one of these babies is possible for less than 15k and that must be something

But ultimate it just has to be 911 for me. New one arrive this week

[AJLintern]

As an everyday car a 944S2 is going to be very similar to a normal 968 (except without the cam wear issues and extra weight ) and is nearly half the price! The 944 Turbo will be quicker and have good oppotunities for more power and is also cheaper than a 968.
Can't really comment on a 911 - not as practical and probably a bit more expensive to maintain, but then you don't usually buy a sports car for practicality

[iguana]

Biscuit761 said:

Saw an add for a nice 968 today, looked good. Any views about these in comparison to a 944. Do not know much about them, what engines are best, may be more usable every day than 911.

944 engines-

2.5 8v Lux
2.7 8v Lux
2.5 16v S
3.0 16v S2
2.5T 8v Turbo

968-

3.0 16v

(ignoring 968 Turbo S as they mad only a couple)

Only you can decide if a 968 is worth approx double a 944 S2 or turbo, particully when there isnt really that much between S2 & 968 performance tho you do gain an extra gear.

Chipped 944T is a significantly quicker car than a 968.

[ninemeister]

iguana said:

Chipped 944T is a significantly quicker car than a 968.

Supercharged 968 is a significantly quicker car than a chipped 944T.

[cuneus]

ninemeister said:

iguana said: Chipped 944T is a significantly quicker car than a 968. Supercharged 968 is a significantly quicker car than a chipped 944T.

And so it should be at double the cost

[PJS917]

Can't comment on the 911 but had 44s2's and a 68 they are both very good.The 968 is about 10% better in everyway. That is not to put the S2 down. Its just that the 68 feels more complete. The 68 feels quite a bit quicker than the S2. They also handle slighty better.

[slim_boy_fat]

cuneus said:

ninemeister said: iguana said: Chipped 944T is a significantly quicker car than a 968. Supercharged 968 is a significantly quicker car than a chipped 944T. lolss very good. Spend £5k on the turbo and see the tables turned again And so it should be at double the cost

[SimonHarrod911]

The 968 CS is simply the best Porsche ever made. It's better than the 73 RS lightweight, the 959, and the Carrera GT. Dynamically no car in the world comes close.

The fact that I'm selling one has NOTHING to do with the opinions aired above!!

[xxplod]

My Dad had a 1981 911SC, which he had for 7 years before trading it in for a 968 CS. Undoubtedly, the 911 has more style, but in terms of the drive the 968CS wins by a mile. It is a truly great car. Very quick even in standard trim and the handling is sublime, totally balanced and communicative.

Its running costs are reasonable and it achieves a genuine 25mpg in mixed driving. And, the reason the old git swapped was because he could get his golf clubs in the back of the CS!

[James s]

The handling really is that good...but I only ever really got the benefit of it on the track. On the road I wasn't ever driving on the limit so it didn't matter

Go 911 - you know it makes sense

[Shed17]

JP,

you throw them in the front

Having done the jump from 968 to 993, would not go back, more rewarding and lots more fun. Saying that, finding a good 968 is becoming harder as a lot of real dogs are kicking about at premium prices.

The 68 is an improvement on the 44S2 in many ways, but is it now worth over double? You could buy a 944S2 and then spend a bit on modding which would leave you with a very nice car.

But then again nothing beats the 993...........

[Paul968]

Shed17 said:

The 68 is an improvement on the 44S2 in many ways, but is it now worth over double? You could buy a 944S2 and then spend a bit on modding which would leave you with a very nice car. But then again nothing beats the 993..........

So is a 993 worth twice a 968? I expect you will say yes now, but in terms of performance it isn't. The reason they are valued so highly is a complex mix of rarity, involvment, performance and style. Its also impossible to say why a 968 is better than an S2, but drive a club sport after an s2 and you will know the difference, believe me! The fact is that comparing value is a pointless exercise - cars are valued based on what people will pay, not how fast they are. Residuals are a major factor that you have to consider, and with a low interest rate and a car that doesn't depreciate that much, why worry that a 968 costs more than a 944 S2?

I owned an S2 for 7 years before I bought a 968 Sport last year. I loved the S2, which did 65K miles with barely a hickup, but I wanted something with more edge. I sold it to the trade (Henry) for a tad under 5K and bought the 968 for a whisper over 11. Sounds a lot to shell out for a similar mileage car, but there was a big difference in the condition of the cars (most 968s I've seen are very tidy compared to the dogs I remember seeing when viewing 944s in 1997), and to drive the 968 is much nicer - more focussed, quicker at the top end (you don't notice it unless you go there) and much better steering - something the 944 was pretty good at too. The 968 also looks much more modern, although I understand some misguided souls still prefer the 944 ;-) The icing on the cake is rarity - with just 12000 odd made worldwide, they will always be more exclusive than a 944.

The fact is that the 968 has probably lost nothing in value since I bought it, so the small extra cost of the interest on the capital invested is easily worth it. The 944 S2 is a great car, and I'd recommend it to anyone, but a 968 is better in almost every way and despite the initial outlay shouldn't cost you significantly more in the long run.

Paul

[slim_boy_fat]

Paul968 said:

So is a 993 worth twice a 968? I expect you will say yes now, but in terms of performance it isn't. The reason they are valued so highly is a complex mix of rarity, involvment, performance and style. Its also impossible to say why a 968 is better than an S2, but drive a club sport after an s2 and you will know the difference, believe me! The fact is that comparing value is a pointless exercise - cars are valued based on what people will pay, not how fast they are. Residuals are a major factor that you have to consider, and with a low interest rate and a car that doesn't depreciate that much, why worry that a 968 costs more than a 944 S2? I owned an S2 for 7 years before I bought a 968 Sport last year. I loved the S2, which did 65K miles with barely a hickup, but I wanted something with more edge. I sold it to the trade (Henry) for a tad under 5K and bought the 968 for a whisper over 11. Sounds a lot to shell out for a similar mileage car, but there was a big difference in the condition of the cars (most 968s I've seen are very tidy compared to the dogs I remember seeing when viewing 944s in 1997), and to drive the 968 is much nicer - more focussed, quicker at the top end (you don't notice it unless you go there) and much better steering - something the 944 was pretty good at too. The 968 also looks much more modern, although I understand some misguided souls still prefer the 944 ;-) The icing on the cake is rarity - with just 12000 odd made worldwide, they will always be more exclusive than a 944. The fact is that the 968 has probably lost nothing in value since I bought it, so the small extra cost of the interest on the capital invested is easily worth it. The 944 S2 is a great car, and I'd recommend it to anyone, but a 968 is better in almost every way and despite the initial outlay shouldn't cost you significantly more in the long run. Paul

Everyone knows the 944turbo was the ultimate incarnation of the 924,944,968 range of cars.

If value for money is in the equation then an S2 can be modded to 968 CS spec for very little money.

I have to admit i prefer the 968 rear but dont like the 928 front lights.

I would always say the S2 is better value and just a quick as the S3 (or 968 as it is known)

[Bananaman]

S2 £6K
9M Charger £5K
Break/Suspension upgrade £2K
£13K Dream Machine, run rings round the opposition..


>> Edited by Bananaman on Tuesday 12th April 12:16

[danww]

Bananaman said:

S2 £6K 9M Charger £5K Break/Suspension upgrade £2K £13K Dream Machine, run rings round the opposition..

Exactly the calculation I've been doing. Even the numbers are the same ...

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=166580&f=48&h=0


>> Edited by danww on Tuesday 12th April 12:43

[slim_boy_fat]

Bananaman said:

S2 £6K 9M Charger £5K Break/Suspension upgrade £2K £13K Dream Machine, run rings round the opposition.. >> Edited by Bananaman on Tuesday 12th April 12:16

The only dreaming is that you will get all that for £7k...

Probably nearer £9k. And that before you start dreaming of the new brembo mono block calipers etc..

KW suspention will be knocking on £1300
ARBs £350
What about gearbox, S2 box really could do with swapping to the turbo with LSD, or even the 6 speed 968 box.
etc etc

But even at £15k it would still be some machine for sure.

[iguana]

All great & I'd love to drive a supercharged S2, but as said the figs dont really add up, by the time all the other bits are totted up its realistically in the area of a £20k car, most of which is dead money.

Rather makes a late clean turbo, chipped to 300bhp area & already with Mo30 etc appear somewhat of a bargan at a 1/3rd of the price, or even an older turbo at a quarter of the price...

Just the charger on a 968CS tho, now that idea I really do like...

>> Edited by iguana on Tuesday 12th April 15:21

[slim_boy_fat]

iguana said:

All great & I'd love to drive a supercharged S2, but as said the figs dont really add up, by the time all the other bits are totted up its realistically in the area of a £20k car, most of which is dead money. Rather makes a late clean turbo, chipped to 300bhp area & already with Mo30 etc appear somewhat of a bargan at a 1/3rd of the price, or even an older turbo at a quarter of the price... Just the charger on a 968CS tho, now that idea I really do like... >> Edited by iguana on Tuesday 12th April 15:21

You must be living in a cloud if you think you can get a clean 944 turbo with 300bhp for £6600, dream on.

I do tend to agree with the S2, unless you alread undertaken all the other mods over a period of years and the only thing to buy was the charger..

[Thom]

Paul968 said:

Its also impossible to say why a 968 is better than an S2, but drive a club sport after an s2 and you will know the difference, believe me!

I did just that and unless yours has M030 then no, I don't believe you.
The difference between an S2 and a 968 CS suspension-wise, both with their respective standard suspension set up, is the front springs and the size of the rims. As for engine performance I sincerely have no clue where the supposed 29 more bhp are hiding in the 968. Perhaps they're drowned in that Getrag gearbox featuring gear ratios that are pointlessly close.