Please say this cannot be true.

[Jon39]

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/854551...

Expectations are so high in F1, that when a team takes 1:45.990 seconds to do a lap, they are considered to be complete losers, if the leader can lap in 1:44.001. The margins are very small, but moving up from bottom to top seems to be so impossible, that even hundreds of millions (money) and previous periods of dominance, were not enough to help Honda succeed.

[Beefmeister]

I find F1 slightly less interesting than watching my cat lick the clagnuts out of its arse.

So yeah. Bovvered.

[avinalarf]

[cayman-black]

Beefmeister said:

I find F1 slightly less interesting than watching my cat lick the clagnuts out of its arse.

So yeah. Bovvered.

Hmm i used to love it now it just sends me to sleep.

[Gday2]

A perfect Sunday afternoon sleeping pill replacement

[hornbaek]

I have checked out of F1 some time ago - boring. MotoGP more interesting.

[Jon39]

I was not thinking so much about the entertainment value (Goodwood Revival live coverage is great motor racing entertainment, with lots of overtaking and opposite locking), but the potential enormous cost and the considerable risk of public failure.

[Dave Hedgehog]

cayman-black said:

Beefmeister said:

I find F1 slightly less interesting than watching my cat lick the clagnuts out of its arse.

So yeah. Bovvered.

Hmm i used to love it now it just sends me to sleep.

agreed

i have been following it since the 70s, stopped watching it recently boring hybrid cars and dull racing with a nanny state rule book

bring back the V10s and allow contact

[V8 Vantage GT]

Aston Martin builds engines?

[ilikeAstons]

I have to agree with most on this thread. I've been watching (and attending) F1 since I was knee high to a grasshopper (The late 70's), but in the last two/three years I simply cannot be bothered as it's so dull.

Now, because its so crap, and not on my TV Mr.s ilikeAstons mentions that the lawn needs mowing or I could cook Sunday lunch because I have time.

It seems they have tried many things.... pit stops/DRS/grooved tyres etc, etc and nothing has made it exciting.

It's American run now, and I had high hopes that they would inject some drama, but this hasn't happened. I suppose they need more time.

I'm not kidding when I saw I watched The Masters golf and it was more exciting.

[divetheworld]

Beefmeister said:

I find F1 slightly less interesting than watching my cat lick the clagnuts out of its arse.

So yeah. Bovvered.

I'd be happier discussing my cat cleaning it's hoop over F1

[telum01]

It'll be interesting to see how this goes. I, personally, don't care about F1. It's too far removed from road cars to mean anything to me.

V8 Vantage GT said:

Aston Martin builds engines?

The Valkyrie's V12 is based on a Cosworth F1 engine... then base an F1 engine on that, we've come full circle with an Aston Martin engine in an F1 car.

[V8V Pete]

Or is this just a way of getting a Mercedes engine into the Red Bull without anyone really noticing? The association is there and that would be a whole lot easier than killing yourselves to be back of the grid losers.

[M5MarkM]

V8V Pete said:

Or is this just a way of getting a Mercedes engine into the Red Bull without anyone really noticing? The association is there and that would be a whole lot easier than killing yourselves to be back of the grid losers.

That sounds more like it to me, clever way of doing so if that's the case!

[Jon39]

V8V Pete said:

Or is this just a way of getting a Mercedes engine into the Red Bull without anyone really noticing? The association is there and that would be a whole lot easier than killing yourselves to be back of the grid losers.

Good thought Pete.

Mercedes are probably happy that their own team are ahead of Williams and Force India (Mercedes engines), but how would they feel, if they were beaten by a drinks company using an 'Aston Martin' (Mercedes) engine ?

[martinvantage]

Or...AM to tie up with Honda and badge their engine ?AM just launched development centre in Japan. AP has Japanese connections. Unlikely I know but a weekend muse

[V8V Pete]

Jon39 said:

V8V Pete said:

Or is this just a way of getting a Mercedes engine into the Red Bull without anyone really noticing? The association is there and that would be a whole lot easier than killing yourselves to be back of the grid losers.

Good thought Pete.

Mercedes are probably happy that their own team are ahead of Williams and Force India (Mercedes engines), but how would they feel, if they were beaten by a drinks company using an 'Aston Martin' (Mercedes) engine ?

Not sure that would happen tbh Jon. I think the power differences between the engines are somewhat overstated now (except Honda) and Mercedes just have a very good all round package. Look how far behind Williams are sometimes and whilst they're a shadow of their former selves they're still no mugs. No doubt the contract could have loop holes in it about Merc not having to give customer teams the very latest upgrade / boost mode just in case said drinks manufacturer got a bit too feisty. As you can see I've not given up on F1 yet although I would much rather see the return of NA V8/V10/V12s and less aero influence

[cayman-black]

hornbaek said:

I have checked out of F1 some time ago - boring. MotoGP more interesting.

MotoGP now thats racing.

[PotentiallyaHorse]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Aston Martin badged Cosworths in 2021 in the back of the Red Bull

[steveatesh]

cayman-black said:

MotoGP now thats racing.

Plus 1

Or Superbikes.... absolute courage doing what they do, my heart is in my mouth sometimes when watching it!