Pdk in different models
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I've just bought a 2009 panamera 4s and I can't understand why the pdk in this car feels so different to the pdk in my wife's 2015 boxster. Boxster pulls away cleanly, is lightning quick between gears and has a nice blip on down shift.
The panamera feels a bit laboured pulling away, doesn't seem as quick to shift and doesn't blip on down shifts, just rev matches.
Is this how panameras are? Is it "fixable" with a Sw update?
The panamera feels a bit laboured pulling away, doesn't seem as quick to shift and doesn't blip on down shifts, just rev matches.
Is this how panameras are? Is it "fixable" with a Sw update?
I can't speak for those two models but I spent sometime recently with a 991.2 and a 718 and the PDK in both made the PDK in my 981 feel a bit dim-witted.
I haven't seen any updates to PDK advertised but I have no doubt there are subtle hardware or software changes as the years roll by.
On a similar topic I'd be interested to hear how the 4S compares with the Boxster, performance wise and dynamically.
I haven't seen any updates to PDK advertised but I have no doubt there are subtle hardware or software changes as the years roll by.
On a similar topic I'd be interested to hear how the 4S compares with the Boxster, performance wise and dynamically.
SkinnyPete said:
I can't speak for those two models but I spent sometime recently with a 991.2 and a 718 and the PDK in both made the PDK in my 981 feel a bit dim-witted.
I haven't seen any updates to PDK advertised but I have no doubt there are subtle hardware or software changes as the years roll by.
On a similar topic I'd be interested to hear how the 4S compares with the Boxster, performance wise and dynamically.
I'm sure there are changes also, hence the question. Are there any uk tuners who offer ecu upgrades which would also improve the pdk, or is hardware the limiting factor here?I haven't seen any updates to PDK advertised but I have no doubt there are subtle hardware or software changes as the years roll by.
On a similar topic I'd be interested to hear how the 4S compares with the Boxster, performance wise and dynamically.
To answer your question - they are very different in some ways, but similar in others. The 4s is very much a car with a split personality. I have the air suspension, so leave it in normal mode and auto and it is a very luxurious comfy gt. But then stick it in sport plus and while it is still pretty compliant and comfy, you really can push on. It doesn't feel heavy, the steering, while light, is very communicative and it's a fun drive. The stupid pdk buttons on the multi function steering wheel are annoying, but that's not an issue specific to the panamera...
I had an rs5 before this, and the Porsche is better in every way. The suspension and steering were awful in the audi and I'm sure I'm getting from a to b at least as quickly, despite the bigger car and less power, because of the confidence it inspires. It's also more fun and rewarding to drive and a nicer place to be.
The boxster has sublime handling and, as you'd expect, is more rewarding to drive, but for me, the panamera is a good compromise. I use it as a daily driver, with a fair amount of motorway, so the extra comfort and luxury are worth the small reduction in dynamic ability. The 4.8 v8 vs the 2.7 of the boxster means you can make good progress without needing to thrash it, which is more relaxing on a daily basis.
I dont remember the PDK on either of my previous Panameras feeling slow;
( had a 4S & a Turbo)
just wondering - does it have a 'drive me slowly and smoothly, thats how I'll respond ' mode ? (i.e. is it adaptive)
try driving the snot out of it for a good few miles and see if its different ?
( had a 4S & a Turbo)
just wondering - does it have a 'drive me slowly and smoothly, thats how I'll respond ' mode ? (i.e. is it adaptive)
try driving the snot out of it for a good few miles and see if its different ?
SV_WDC said:
Doesn't seem to be mentioned in the other posts but check the PDK gearbox oil been replaced on 6years/60k service interval.
Also believe throttle blip was only introduced in the 981 Caymans (2013). So potentially not going to be on a 2009 Panamera.
Thanks, that's a good shout. It hasn't reached 60k yet, but has had services every 2 years. Last service was the maintenance service, and has been ticked as such in the book, but it wasn't done by Porsche or by a recognised specialist, so think this is well worth checking out.Also believe throttle blip was only introduced in the 981 Caymans (2013). So potentially not going to be on a 2009 Panamera.
Badger71 said:
Thanks, that's a good shout. It hasn't reached 60k yet, but has had services every 2 years. Last service was the maintenance service, and has been ticked as such in the book, but it wasn't done by Porsche or by a recognised specialist, so think this is well worth checking out.
Take a look at the service book. Now I think about it, the PDK clutch oil is done on time over mileage, same as the brake fluid. May not be 6years for the Panamera though.Badger71 said:
SV_WDC said:
Doesn't seem to be mentioned in the other posts but check the PDK gearbox oil been replaced on 6years/60k service interval.
Also believe throttle blip was only introduced in the 981 Caymans (2013). So potentially not going to be on a 2009 Panamera.
Thanks, that's a good shout. It hasn't reached 60k yet, but has had services every 2 years. Last service was the maintenance service, and has been ticked as such in the book, but it wasn't done by Porsche or by a recognised specialist, so think this is well worth checking out.Also believe throttle blip was only introduced in the 981 Caymans (2013). So potentially not going to be on a 2009 Panamera.
Just bought a 2009 Panamera Turbo from fastidious and enthusiast owner (not short of a bob or twelve....).
He was horrified to read in my PPI that it had not had spark plugs, air filter or PDK gearbox done by the OPC he had religiously gone to, since 2009! The same OPC had "done" an 111-point check every year, to keep the warranty going, all shown by paperwork.....
Have just had these all done; can't say I notice a huge difference (except to my peace of mind), but it shows how careless OPCs are, to me.
Don't feel PDK is dim-witted (but then it is the only one I've ever driven), although there is a real dead-spot in the throttle for the first few mm, particularly noticeable when parking/slow-speed manoeuvring.
Truly lovely car, too. Such an even to drive in one.Sport-Plus is wicked, in a good way!
He was horrified to read in my PPI that it had not had spark plugs, air filter or PDK gearbox done by the OPC he had religiously gone to, since 2009! The same OPC had "done" an 111-point check every year, to keep the warranty going, all shown by paperwork.....
Have just had these all done; can't say I notice a huge difference (except to my peace of mind), but it shows how careless OPCs are, to me.
Don't feel PDK is dim-witted (but then it is the only one I've ever driven), although there is a real dead-spot in the throttle for the first few mm, particularly noticeable when parking/slow-speed manoeuvring.
Truly lovely car, too. Such an even to drive in one.Sport-Plus is wicked, in a good way!
boxsey said:
Had the PDK clutch oil changed recently on my Cayman R. Didn't make any difference to the performance of the gear box. The PDK in my R will be of the same generation as yours. In normal mode because of the town driving it gets very lazy and needs a bit of right foot welly to liven it up (adapt to driving style as Red997 says above). However, there's no need for me to do that because I can just press the Sport button to liven it up. Nb. Mine wasn't specced with Sport/Sport plus when it came from the factory so I had it retrofitted by Porsche. It makes a huge difference to the character of the PDK box.
Yes, sport and sport plus do help, and are great for really pushing on. I have absolutely no problem with the car when I'm doing this. I think you're right, the issue is probably the adaptive element. I sit in traffic and on the motorway for 90% of my daily drive and I think it just defaults to this style of driving. I'd use the paddles if it had them, but can't get on with the buttons. I think part of it is just getting a feel for a new (to me) car. 2 weeks in and I'm loving it more each day. Might still check that pdk oil change for peace of mind though...
EGTE said:
Just bought a 2009 Panamera Turbo from fastidious and enthusiast owner (not short of a bob or twelve....).
He was horrified to read in my PPI that it had not had spark plugs, air filter or PDK gearbox done by the OPC he had religiously gone to, since 2009! The same OPC had "done" an 111-point check every year, to keep the warranty going, all shown by paperwork.....
Have just had these all done; can't say I notice a huge difference (except to my peace of mind), but it shows how careless OPCs are, to me.
Don't feel PDK is dim-witted (but then it is the only one I've ever driven), although there is a real dead-spot in the throttle for the first few mm, particularly noticeable when parking/slow-speed manoeuvring.
Truly lovely car, too. Such an even to drive in one.Sport-Plus is wicked, in a good way!
You're right about the dead spot, but yes. A truly lovely place to be and great funHe was horrified to read in my PPI that it had not had spark plugs, air filter or PDK gearbox done by the OPC he had religiously gone to, since 2009! The same OPC had "done" an 111-point check every year, to keep the warranty going, all shown by paperwork.....
Have just had these all done; can't say I notice a huge difference (except to my peace of mind), but it shows how careless OPCs are, to me.
Don't feel PDK is dim-witted (but then it is the only one I've ever driven), although there is a real dead-spot in the throttle for the first few mm, particularly noticeable when parking/slow-speed manoeuvring.
Truly lovely car, too. Such an even to drive in one.Sport-Plus is wicked, in a good way!
SV_WDC said:
Doesn't seem to be mentioned in the other posts but check the PDK gearbox oil been replaced on 6years/60k service interval.
Also believe throttle blip was only introduced in the 981 Caymans (2013). So potentially not going to be on a 2009 Panamera.
My 2010 Boxster S (3.4) PDK has throttle blip in sport and sport+ mode.Also believe throttle blip was only introduced in the 981 Caymans (2013). So potentially not going to be on a 2009 Panamera.
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