997 GT3 -£59K
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finmac

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1,685 posts

261 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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On autotrader, done 80K miles mind you!

Good buy?

Desert Dragon

1,445 posts

107 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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Nope not in my book. Crazy prices for old GT cars at the mo. I don't think people realise how dear they are to run if you use them as intended.

g7jhp

7,026 posts

261 months

Tuesday 3rd October 2017
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It would be interesting at £49k!

WindyM

441 posts

163 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Desert Dragon said:
Nope not in my book. Crazy prices for old GT cars at the mo. I don't think people realise how dear they are to run if you use them as intended.
Where do you believe an average mile 997.1 GT3 should be price-wise today then?

footsoldier

2,291 posts

215 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Pretty much what a low mileage one cost in 2009/10 then!
All still seems pricey to me.

ispcarsurvey

104 posts

243 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Seems reasonably priced to me...

There was that 140k+ mile one that sold a while back for c£55k that was featured and discussed on here. Had buckets and apparent motorway cross continent miles (so potentially an easy life for a GT3) but still £5k more for 60k less miles seems reasonable.

In terms of "are they over-priced" I'm not sure they are in the context of other cars in the price bracket. And I bought one at the start of the year so have bought at the higher end of the market.

997 GTSs are pretty close and not as special. 997 turbos have been on the rise and again, didn't feel special enough vs the GT3, especially as close on price. All IMO of course...

Slippydiff

16,027 posts

246 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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ispcarsurvey said:
Seems reasonably priced to me...

There was that 140k+ mile one that sold a while back for c£55k that was featured and discussed on here. Had buckets and apparent motorway cross continent miles (so potentially an easy life for a GT3) but still £5k more for 60k less miles seems reasonable.

In terms of "are they over-priced" I'm not sure they are in the context of other cars in the price bracket. And I bought one at the start of the year so have bought at the higher end of the market.

997 GTSs are pretty close and not as special. 997 turbos have been on the rise and again, didn't feel special enough vs the GT3, especially as close on price. All IMO of course...
This ^
And the 140k mile example was a VERY tidy Clubsport with immaculate PCCB's, I know, I almost bought it, and the mileage on the engine didn't concern me one iota.

kev.RS

215 posts

230 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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It would be good for someone who will actually use it for what it was intended for rather than a low mileage garage queen.
You could probably do 20k miles and still look good value at £50k when you sold it and could maybe be viable for a daily rather than running a normal car in the week and the Porsche for the weekends as I am sure that putting 20k miles on a golf/3 series type thing will cost you more than £10k in depreciation!

Desert Dragon

1,445 posts

107 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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WindyM said:
Desert Dragon said:
Nope not in my book. Crazy prices for old GT cars at the mo. I don't think people realise how dear they are to run if you use them as intended.
Where do you believe an average mile 997.1 GT3 should be price-wise today then?
I don't know its a really tough one with 996 GT3 prices so high. Friend bought a nice 996 GT3 for £35k a few years ago which probably clouds my judgement.


kev.RS

215 posts

230 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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The thing about the 996 GT3 is that it is very firm and would only want one as a weekend toy but with the 997 having PASM it is still firm but just makes driving it feel so much better and would happily drive one every day
It is more down to our poor roads than anything bad about the car.

Steve Rance

5,453 posts

254 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Great practical daily supercar for that price. Miles will be largely irrelevant. To context the engine reliabilty point. its essentially a racing unit which is designed to run at maximum revs continuously. Put most road engines in that enviromnet and they would probably experience a catastrophic failure in a few hours. The Metz engine will run and run without failure - providing you change the oil regularly. It may drop 5bhp or so as the hours run up but it won't let go. The race engines get rebuilt primarily because they leak a little power over hours. Put the same engine in a road enviroment and it's pretty much builet proof. In terms of running cost, they are not really much more expensive to run than a C2 but there certainly not be any potential bore scoring issues to contend with. The engine should be good for a hell of a lot of miles and rebuild costs are not high at all.

I'd be very happy running a 997GT3 as a daily, with the more complient suspension that pasm gives you, its very much a builet proof Sports GT racing car that on modern tyres will give you a 7.30 something ring time potential that you can l happily live with on a daily basis. How many other GT cars offer that for under £60K?

v8ksn

4,713 posts

207 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Steve Rance said:
Great practical daily supercar for that price. Miles will be largely irrelevant. To context the engine reliabilty point. its essentially a racing unit which is designed to run at maximum revs continuously. Put most road engines in that enviromnet and they would probably experience a catastrophic failure in a few hours. The Metz engine will run and run without failure - providing you change the oil regularly. It may drop 5bhp or so as the hours run up but it won't let go. The race engines get rebuilt primarily because they leak a little power over hours. Put the same engine in a road enviroment and it's pretty much builet proof. In terms of running cost, they are not really much more expensive to run than a C2 but there certainly not be any potential bore scoring issues to contend with. The engine should be good for a hell of a lot of miles and rebuild costs are not high at all.

I'd be very happy running a 997GT3 as a daily, with the more complient suspension that pasm gives you, its very much a builet proof Sports GT racing car that on modern tyres will give you a 7.30 something ring time potential that you can l happily live with on a daily basis. How many other GT cars offer that for under £60K?
Excellent post as usual thumbup

I absolutely LOVE my 997.1 GT3 and I used to daily it when my commute was 30 miles of A and B roads. Now my commute is 15 miles on the M4 and motorway miles are a very boring way to put mileage on a car.

I now save mine for euro trips where it absolutely excells! One very memorable trip involved chasing a Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale from Switzerland into Austria where we encountered next to no traffic. We filled up on Shell V-Power and then burned through the whole tank and the revs never dropped till we had to stop again for more fuel to repeat the process.

Epic memories!


kev.RS

215 posts

230 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Like the idea of the de-spoiler or 997 GT3 Touring!

Ducktail would look cool

Think I would keep the wheels as they are quite a nice design that suits the car well

Steve Rance

5,453 posts

254 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Yep. It would relatively easy to create that car and inexpensive to convert it back to factory spec. The spoiler delete wouldnt effect performance on the road or track. I know of a Carrera Cup driver who lost his rear wing during a race. His times were not any different, just a bit more rear tyre wear.

Dan911

2,648 posts

231 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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with 100,000+ mile 993's at £40-50k - Makes this a great price.

If I didn't have my MK1 996 GT3, I would be going to look.........

In the side picture looks like it has a rear cage??

kev.RS

215 posts

230 months

Wednesday 4th October 2017
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Yes looks like a cage in the back.
Very good history and looks like it has been kept well.

Would be tempted with these

http://www.supertweaks.com/porsche/porsche-carbon-...

kev.RS

215 posts

230 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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I’m not sure but would imagine they have used a standard seat back as a template so completely carbon.
They do the matching lower switch cover aswell and lots of other interior carbon but I think there is a fine line between a few carbon bits and flooding it.

http://www.supertweaks.com/porsche/porsche-carbon-...

Slippydiff

16,027 posts

246 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Easily.

Not narrower (the Yanks do wide) but 18".







And my personal favorite :



Porsche911R

21,146 posts

288 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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not sure a duck tail is always the best choice ;-) don't see the point on a GT3 either. I think the 997 GT3 looks about perfect as is.
It's just an old expensive car now for a project car imo.


AshBurrows

2,585 posts

185 months

Thursday 5th October 2017
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Slippydiff said:
Oh man this is perfect.