e60 535d - F10/11 535d

[anonymous-user]

Just looking to see if anyone can share their findings of the difference of these two - in terms of performance, economy and general feel when driving?

My daily smoker is an E60 535d and I'm looking to change to an F11 535d largely due to needing a Tourer for various reasons.

The F11 seems the natural choice as I can't seem to find an E61 with the right miles and spec.

Sooo anyone have any direct experience of these two genres with the same engine?

I briefly owned an F11 520d so I know the ergonomics, refinement and space is better but i'm looking for feedback on the like for like engined cars.

The E60 I've got is an amazing daily and even now the performance still feels exceptional for a daily car.

Thanks in advance

[Welshbeef]

I tested both and have the F10 535d.

Points of note
1. It is more economical
2. The gearbox is a masterpiece it's like multigenerations improvement (on this point alone it's worth it)
3. cheaper VED cleaner engine and more economical.
4. More power and torque.
5. The E60 at its newest will be 8 years old.
6. There are two generations following the E60
7. The infotainment system is in a different league
8. Bluetooth miles better.
9. adaptive suspension lovely.


I'm now 3 years ownership in my F10 535d it's been fantastic. Makes 200+ mile trips feel nothing get out of the car fresh.
Touch wood nothing has gone wrong with it whatsoever.

[Fox-]

Welshbeef said:

7. The infotainment system is in a different league

This depends on the age of the E60 as post 2009 E60's have CIC iDrive, which is the same as that fitted to pre September 2012 F11's.

[anonymous-user]

Fox- said:

Welshbeef said:

7. The infotainment system is in a different league

This depends on the age of the E60 as post 2009 E60's have CIC iDrive, which is the same as that fitted to pre September 2012 F11's.

Mines an 08 but has had the CIC upgrade, pro nav, TV etc. It's also got a Birds fitted Quaife LSD and a remap.

It was more in terms of feel - the E60 is sledgehammer quick and it's rawness is actually quite entertaining. I was really questioning if the more refined F11 would turn this into a more subtle experience, muted somewhat by refinement.

Thanks for the replies BTW

[cduk]

I went the other direction - from an E61 535d touring to the F10 saloon.

A couple of extra points to add to Welshbeef's excellent list:
- F1x seems much better put together (no real problems of note, whereas the E61 seemed to be in for warranty work more than I'd like)
- There is noticeably less steering feel in the F1x and it simply isn't as engaging. Check you can live with it; it's a trait with all modern BMWs.
- Fuel economy is around 10% better on the F1x (36.5 vs 40.5), but the stop/start and "eco" gubbins artificially inflates the official figures.

The F10 moved things on in terms of comfort and is probably the more complete all-round car, but at the expense of some involvement.

Edited by cduk on Monday 9th October 20:09

[Welshbeef]

The F10 standard is a lot quicker - a big part of that is down to the superb gearbox changing so so much quicker reducing the acceleration time plus more gears meaning in max power band more often.

Both remap well - you can get the F10 to a lot more than the E60 DMS or some brand take it to 390bhp which is plenty fast enough/M550d pace in RWD format.