Toureg or E Class
Discussion
I have owned a 2008 320 cdi and a 2011 tourag (i.e. The later model)
The tourag was a fantastic family car, very practical, reliable, totally inoffensive to drive.
The e class whilst no less practical was fabulous to drive. The way they set up the springs and dampers is like nothing else on the road. Loved it (but my wife refused to drive it)
The tourag was a fantastic family car, very practical, reliable, totally inoffensive to drive.
The e class whilst no less practical was fabulous to drive. The way they set up the springs and dampers is like nothing else on the road. Loved it (but my wife refused to drive it)
Touareg is a great car. No compromise 4/5 car in all areas. Great Tow car.
Mk1 and Mk2 are the better versions as they are the full fat 4x4's. The Mk3 onwards is a cut down version around 300kg lighter as many of the mechanical diffs removed and was noticeable less butch, like a Q7.
Go for a Mk2 Altitude 3.0TDI
Look for:
Propshaft bearings go every 70K miles. Get these replaced if not documented on history. Otherwise is new propshaft time. (same issue as Porsche and Audi)
Gearbox valves can go at a random point in time -usually 80K-200K. If 4th -5th and back down to 4th is jerky then a new GB may be need.
Make sure the tyre are the same make and wear on each corner.
Some interior trim is a little week but apart from that solid cars.
Like any 10y old large 4x4 there will be risks and I would imagine the E320 would be the cheaper car to run.
Mk1 and Mk2 are the better versions as they are the full fat 4x4's. The Mk3 onwards is a cut down version around 300kg lighter as many of the mechanical diffs removed and was noticeable less butch, like a Q7.
Go for a Mk2 Altitude 3.0TDI
Look for:
Propshaft bearings go every 70K miles. Get these replaced if not documented on history. Otherwise is new propshaft time. (same issue as Porsche and Audi)
Gearbox valves can go at a random point in time -usually 80K-200K. If 4th -5th and back down to 4th is jerky then a new GB may be need.
Make sure the tyre are the same make and wear on each corner.
Some interior trim is a little week but apart from that solid cars.
Like any 10y old large 4x4 there will be risks and I would imagine the E320 would be the cheaper car to run.
I had a MY07 E320cdi avantgarde estate and had on heart it is the best all round car I have owned.
My better than the 2010 E350cdi I replaced it with, and the BMW F11 Touring that quickly replaced that.
I have hd cars I have enjoyed more, I have had cars that I have found even more relaxing to drive, cars with better tech, cars that are more economical etc. etc. However, as an all round package it is superb!
I am actually considering swapping my MY12 E350 3.5 petrol for another 2007-2009 E350 3.5 petrol estate again.
My better than the 2010 E350cdi I replaced it with, and the BMW F11 Touring that quickly replaced that.
I have hd cars I have enjoyed more, I have had cars that I have found even more relaxing to drive, cars with better tech, cars that are more economical etc. etc. However, as an all round package it is superb!
I am actually considering swapping my MY12 E350 3.5 petrol for another 2007-2009 E350 3.5 petrol estate again.
treetops said:
Good shout on the 320, a sport would be ideal!
Having discounted this era E320 (having now decided on E Class estates, Accord Tourer >08, C Class, Mazda 6 all being too small compared to 57 plate accord tourer), the above is interesting. I did look at a E350 Cdi and E300 hybrid both on a 62 plate today 16-17k. Both circa 65k miles.
For the poster above, this has appeared locally.
http://www.towerhillgarage.com/cars/mercedes/eclas...
Looks a nice example.
Any ideas why this is still for sale 6 weeks later, I think he has knocked 1 bag of it.
2010 E350. Reasonable miles but not intergalactic.
http://www.eastwoodscars.co.uk/used-cars/mercedes-...
gizlaroc said:
I had a MY07 E320cdi avantgarde estate and had on heart it is the best all round car I have owned.
My better than the 2010 E350cdi I replaced it with, and the BMW F11 Touring that quickly replaced that.
I have hd cars I have enjoyed more, I have had cars that I have found even more relaxing to drive, cars with better tech, cars that are more economical etc. etc. However, as an all round package it is superb!
I am actually considering swapping my MY12 E350 3.5 petrol for another 2007-2009 E350 3.5 petrol estate again.
Try finding an s211 350 petrol. Like fekin unicorns My better than the 2010 E350cdi I replaced it with, and the BMW F11 Touring that quickly replaced that.
I have hd cars I have enjoyed more, I have had cars that I have found even more relaxing to drive, cars with better tech, cars that are more economical etc. etc. However, as an all round package it is superb!
I am actually considering swapping my MY12 E350 3.5 petrol for another 2007-2009 E350 3.5 petrol estate again.
I love my E350cdi estate (s212). I've had a few cars to date and this one is a keeper.
That's my car!
I have owned both the E350cdi and that E350 petrol.
The petrol is in a different league for refinement an performance.
It is also averaging just 3mpg less than the 350cdi as well. But, and it is a big but, my 350cdi was an earl model with the 7G gearbox, not the 7G+, and they do get better MPG. So I'm not really comparing apples.
My old S211 E320cdi averaged around 36mpg, the 350cdi S212 averaged 34mpg, although the OBC said 38mpg.
On shorter runs of less than 6 miles the petrol often does better for MPG.
Not knocking the 350cdi at all, so please don't think I am being a t
t, I'm not, but the petrol just feels so refined in a way you sort of forgot after so many diesels, well I did anyway.
Only tonight I took my daughters boyfriend over to collect his car and he said "How have you stalled an automatic?" when we sat at the lights.
I now have a Range Rover and it was bought to replace the E350 estate, however, I love the Merc, just so solid and a joy to drive. But I am getting it in the neck from the missus for not selling it. Hence thinking I could swap for an earlier S211 E350 petrol estate so I get to keep a Merc but get a little less grief at home.
However, after doing 3000 miles in the Range Rover over half term going to Wiltshire and France etc. getting back in the E350 again tonight made me have serious doubts about letting it go. It is a car I could easily keep for another 5 years and 120k miles and would enjoy every minute of if. Plus, it still feels like new, my mate drove it the other week, he has a run out S212 E350 with 12k miles on it, and was amazed that mine had 105k miles on it, said it felt exactly the same.
Even the head tech at Norwich Merc said the W/S212 is probably the best built Merc since the W124 E Class, said they simply don't see them in the shop, the suspension etc. is just so strong, that they are ideal for those who keep their cars 10-15 years. Which also makes me think I may regret selling it. I need to decide.
I have owned both the E350cdi and that E350 petrol.
The petrol is in a different league for refinement an performance.
It is also averaging just 3mpg less than the 350cdi as well. But, and it is a big but, my 350cdi was an earl model with the 7G gearbox, not the 7G+, and they do get better MPG. So I'm not really comparing apples.
My old S211 E320cdi averaged around 36mpg, the 350cdi S212 averaged 34mpg, although the OBC said 38mpg.
On shorter runs of less than 6 miles the petrol often does better for MPG.
Not knocking the 350cdi at all, so please don't think I am being a t
t, I'm not, but the petrol just feels so refined in a way you sort of forgot after so many diesels, well I did anyway. Only tonight I took my daughters boyfriend over to collect his car and he said "How have you stalled an automatic?" when we sat at the lights.
I now have a Range Rover and it was bought to replace the E350 estate, however, I love the Merc, just so solid and a joy to drive. But I am getting it in the neck from the missus for not selling it. Hence thinking I could swap for an earlier S211 E350 petrol estate so I get to keep a Merc but get a little less grief at home.
However, after doing 3000 miles in the Range Rover over half term going to Wiltshire and France etc. getting back in the E350 again tonight made me have serious doubts about letting it go. It is a car I could easily keep for another 5 years and 120k miles and would enjoy every minute of if. Plus, it still feels like new, my mate drove it the other week, he has a run out S212 E350 with 12k miles on it, and was amazed that mine had 105k miles on it, said it felt exactly the same.
Even the head tech at Norwich Merc said the W/S212 is probably the best built Merc since the W124 E Class, said they simply don't see them in the shop, the suspension etc. is just so strong, that they are ideal for those who keep their cars 10-15 years. Which also makes me think I may regret selling it. I need to decide.
Edited by gizlaroc on Monday 30th October 21:19
Ahhh yeah.
The earlier 3.5 litre V6 petrol was the M272 engine and it could have balance shaft issues and timing chain issues, which on an older car could be too expensive to fix if you can't do it yourself.
Mine is the later 305hp M273 engine where they sorted that.
Personally I would take the risk though, I am now looking at swapping the Range Rover for an ML and would prefer the ML350 with the M272 engine. Most tended to fail in the first 3-4 years and under 70k miles, not really read of many that have failed after that point. A bit like the coolant leak on early W211's, they got to a certain point and it became a non issue, where as in the early days people were avoiding 4 year old 60k mile E Classes in case they were written off when the coolant leaked into the gearbox.
The earlier 3.5 litre V6 petrol was the M272 engine and it could have balance shaft issues and timing chain issues, which on an older car could be too expensive to fix if you can't do it yourself.
Mine is the later 305hp M273 engine where they sorted that.
Personally I would take the risk though, I am now looking at swapping the Range Rover for an ML and would prefer the ML350 with the M272 engine. Most tended to fail in the first 3-4 years and under 70k miles, not really read of many that have failed after that point. A bit like the coolant leak on early W211's, they got to a certain point and it became a non issue, where as in the early days people were avoiding 4 year old 60k mile E Classes in case they were written off when the coolant leaked into the gearbox.
gizlaroc said:
Ahhh yeah.
The earlier 3.5 litre V6 petrol was the M272 engine and it could have balance shaft issues and timing chain issues, which on an older car could be too expensive to fix if you can't do it yourself.
Mine is the later 305hp M273 engine where they sorted that.
Personally I would take the risk though, I am now looking at swapping the Range Rover for an ML and would prefer the ML350 with the M272 engine. Most tended to fail in the first 3-4 years and under 70k miles, not really read of many that have failed after that point. A bit like the coolant leak on early W211's, they got to a certain point and it became a non issue, where as in the early days people were avoiding 4 year old 60k mile E Classes in case they were written off when the coolant leaked into the gearbox.
That's looks lovely, still available?The earlier 3.5 litre V6 petrol was the M272 engine and it could have balance shaft issues and timing chain issues, which on an older car could be too expensive to fix if you can't do it yourself.
Mine is the later 305hp M273 engine where they sorted that.
Personally I would take the risk though, I am now looking at swapping the Range Rover for an ML and would prefer the ML350 with the M272 engine. Most tended to fail in the first 3-4 years and under 70k miles, not really read of many that have failed after that point. A bit like the coolant leak on early W211's, they got to a certain point and it became a non issue, where as in the early days people were avoiding 4 year old 60k mile E Classes in case they were written off when the coolant leaked into the gearbox.
Yeah it is, but I'm thinking about keeping it.
If it was down to me I would just keep it forever, however, my wife doesn't see why we need this now we have the Range Rover, she has a point.
I just think it is one of those cars that you could keep for 15 years and 300k miles, Merc estates seem to date well, they are seriously reliable and I bet over the next 5 years it would lose no more than £5-6k now. Just seems silly to keep it.
She picked up my son and 5 of his mates today from school in it, not many cars you can do that in.
You're more than welcome to blip me a PM to discuss.
If it was down to me I would just keep it forever, however, my wife doesn't see why we need this now we have the Range Rover, she has a point.
I just think it is one of those cars that you could keep for 15 years and 300k miles, Merc estates seem to date well, they are seriously reliable and I bet over the next 5 years it would lose no more than £5-6k now. Just seems silly to keep it.
She picked up my son and 5 of his mates today from school in it, not many cars you can do that in.
You're more than welcome to blip me a PM to discuss.
Edited by gizlaroc on Wednesday 1st November 17:47
I've an w211 320 Cdi estate. Avant-garde was harder to find than 280 sports but worth imo - no measurable deficit in economy compared to a 280 sport and I didn't fancy the sports 19inch wheels with rubber band expensive harder running low profile tyres.
Plenty shove for a big car. 1800rpm at 70mph. 40mpg and about 600 miles on a tank if you are sensible.
You can always get winter tyres or a few bags of sand if your concerned about rwd in the snow.
Plenty shove for a big car. 1800rpm at 70mph. 40mpg and about 600 miles on a tank if you are sensible.
You can always get winter tyres or a few bags of sand if your concerned about rwd in the snow.
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