EVs - Fact Check time.

[Wuzzle]

Unlike the many beliebers on here, rather than just pulling some figures out of my rear end I thought I'd do some actual research.


Homes in the UK with either a garage or driveway - roughly 15 million.

Population of the UK - 66 million.

Hardly the 80% I've seen quoted elsewhere.

www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation/conten...




Who knew?

[scotlandtim]

Troll.


But ........

Citation - or what you're saying is meaningless.

Now, kindly jog on old chap.

[gangzoom]

Wuzzle said:

Unlike the many beliebers on here, rather than just pulling some figures out of my rear end I thought I'd do some actual research.


Homes in the UK with either a garage or driveway - roughly 15 million.

Population of the UK - 66 million.

Hardly the 80% I've seen quoted elsewhere.

www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation/conten...




Who knew?

You may what to do some research using credible data rather the website you point to...according to that website

"Even though 80% of EV owners have access to home charging, 93% use the public charge point network"

Really?? I've been driving EVs since 2015, I can tell you most EV drivers charge at home, no the other way round.

[Heres Johnny]

Its laughable

For a start there are only 28 million homes in the UK - why compare it to the number of people?

https://visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-perspectives-2016-hou...

So if 15 million did have a drive or garage that would be over 50%

Troll indeed.

[Type R Tom]

Wuzzle said:

Unlike the many beliebers on here, rather than just pulling some figures out of my rear end I thought I'd do some actual research.


Homes in the UK with either a garage or driveway - roughly 15 million.

Population of the UK - 66 million.

Hardly the 80% I've seen quoted elsewhere.

www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation/conten...




Who knew?

When's your PHD turning up from all that research?

[TooLateForAName]

Population does not equal households.

Now ps off.

[sjg]

Corrected link: http://www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation...

From that report (2009 figures):



17.1m dwellings with garage or "other off-street parking", of 26.4m total = about 65%

But only 19.7m households have a car at all (around 75%), i.e. 6.7m don't. I'd suspect that many of these households are the ones without garaging or other off-street parking - city centre flats and the like. If you crudely assumed they all are, you arrive at 87% of car-owning households having a garage or off-street parking. The reality will be somewhere between those two figures.

Edit: actually, this one is probably more useful:



So looking to the bottom "total" box - combining garage and other off-street parking:

Those with no car - 36%
Those with 1 car - 68%
Those with 2+ cars - 87%

Edited by sjg on Wednesday 18th October 10:03

[gangzoom]

sjg said:

So looking to the bottom "total" box - combining garage and other off-street parking:

Those with no car - 36%
Those with 1 car - 68%
Those with 2+ cars - 87%

But don't forget according to OPs 'fact check' website, even if those households with off road parking bought an EV, instead of charging the car at home overnight with no stress/hassel/minimal cost 93% of them would go out of their way to find a public charger .

[Wuzzle]

Shell has opened a Recharging point in North London. 49p/KWH, so only five times as expensive as doing it at home.


Bargain.

[Wuzzle]

gangzoom said:

Wuzzle said:

Unlike the many beliebers on here, rather than just pulling some figures out of my rear end I thought I'd do some actual research.


Homes in the UK with either a garage or driveway - roughly 15 million.

Population of the UK - 66 million.

Hardly the 80% I've seen quoted elsewhere.

www.racfoundation.org/assets/rac_foundation/conten...




Who knew?

You may what to do some research using credible data rather the website you point to...according to that website

"Even though 80% of EV owners have access to home charging, 93% use the public charge point network"

Really?? I've been driving EVs since 2015, I can tell you most EV drivers charge at home, no the other way round.

Why choose one part of the report you disagree with and ignore the point of the thread?
It really isn't hard to understand. What vested interest do you think the RAC has?

[Wuzzle]

Heres Johnny said:

Its laughable

For a start there are only 28 million homes in the UK - why compare it to the number of people?

https://visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-perspectives-2016-hou...

So if 15 million did have a drive or garage that would be over 50%

Troll indeed.

Because I keep seeing facts and figures pulled from people's rear ends and wanted to deal in some facts. I've lost count of the amount of time I've read that 80% of the population will be able to charge at home. Your post proves this to be wrong.

[scotlandtim]

Wuzzle said:

scotlandtim said:

Troll.


But ........

Citation - or what you're saying is meaningless.

Now, kindly jog on old chap.

Moron. The info is all there. Can you not read?

Now Now old chap - i say, this abuse is not required. I simply pointed out that you're sprouting bullst, I say this as a bonafide EV man, of over 5 years a 80,000 miles with a combination of both home and public charges - as I speak my car is topping up at the local public chargepoint.

Anyhow - back to my original point - jog on old boy, and mind where you're sticking your nose. Jolly good.

[scotlandtim]

Wuzzle said:

TooLateForAName said:

Population does not equal households.

Now ps off.

What an angry bunch of dicks you EV guys are.

Er sorry - who's angry?? (Answer: Wuzzle)

[anonymous-user]

So, OP completely fails to do a robust research job, presents misleading, and frankly totally false "facts" then gets angry when it's pointed out that his "facts" are, in fact, not actually facts at all.

1. 1stworldproblems

[scotlandtim]

Max_Torque said:

So, OP completely fails to do a robust research job, presents misleading, and frankly totally false "facts" then gets angry when it's pointed out that his "facts" are, in fact, not actually facts at all.

1. 1stworldproblems

Fact.

[scotlandtim]

Wuzzle said:

Shell has opened a Recharging point in North London. 49p/KWH, so only five times as expensive as doing it at home.


Bargain.

Shell actually charge 25p/kwh until end June 2018: Citation here: http://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/help-and-support/s...

Continue jogging - you'll be up to marathon distance soon - chapeau.

[Type R Tom]

scotlandtim said:

Wuzzle said:

Shell has opened a Recharging point in North London. 49p/KWH, so only five times as expensive as doing it at home.


Bargain.

Shell actually charge 25p/kwh until end June 2018: Citation here: http://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/help-and-support/s...

Continue jogging - you'll be up to marathon distance soon - chapeau.

Gift that keeps on giving

[sjg]

Something like a Leaf is about 0.34kWh per mile. So to fill up 50 miles worth at 49p/kWh would cost about £8.33

Average price of unleaded is 117.9p, and let's be optimistic with 40mpg. You'd need 5.6 litres of fuel to go 50 miles, or £6.60.

So about 26% more at full rate, or 37% cheaper at the promo rate. And, as you rightly say, far more expensive than charging at home which is what most EV drivers do most of the time.

[austinsmirk]

yep, I think my home rate is 0.10p p kwh. Public charging is too costly really.

even paying £1.20 (polar instant) admin fee for free electric, for a top up, is usually pointless.

Shell might need to re-think their strategy.

[scotlandtim]

I agree - living in Scotland public charging remains free -so well worthwhile, but on a recent trip south of the border, with 8 charges I factored in that it would have been cheaper to take my diesel car.

However - I'm a strong believer in EV's and they will continue to improve the infrastructure, and the batteries so it's all good. Progress doesn't come cheaply.

Incidentally it appears the Mr Wuzzle's posts have been removed - he does appear to have jogged on!