Brexit dark money?
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How did Arron Banks afford brexit? Fascinating article here which asks where his money comes from:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ra...
Plus mystery DUP donation:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/19/m...
Whatever you think about Brexit, things should be more transparent than this.
It's obvious where the fingers are pointing, but I think it might be America where they should be looking.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/adam-ra...
Plus mystery DUP donation:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/19/m...
Whatever you think about Brexit, things should be more transparent than this.
It's obvious where the fingers are pointing, but I think it might be America where they should be looking.
Hmm-the methods behind the Leave victory seem to be coming under more and more scrutiny with this as well.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/a-suspected-net...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/a-suspected-net...
cookie118 said:
Hmm-the methods behind the Leave victory seem to be coming under more and more scrutiny with this as well.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/a-suspected-net...
Good grief. If the nonsense spouted about the referendum wasn't bad enough already, we're going to have to deal with conspiracy theorists as well?https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/a-suspected-net...
Firstly, both sides used social media heavily during the campaign. Any investigation that only covers one side is trying to prove a point, not uncover 'the truth'. Has anyone done an analysis of the overall bias of Buzzfeed during the referendum?
Secondly, when it comes to Twitter, botnets have the sum total effect of the square root of bugger all. The only reason they exist is they're incredibly cheap to create, not because they have any measurable effect.
citizensm1th said:
It staggers me that anyone is surprised that Russia (and others) would not have tried to influence the outcome of any U.S. or U.K. vote.
the chance to destabilise two founder members of the U.N. and leading nato members would be to much to resist if you had the opportunity.
It staggers me that anyone thinks this is new. There have always been 'special interest groups' both inside and outside the US and UK trying to push their specific agendas. It's rather a feature of democracy.the chance to destabilise two founder members of the U.N. and leading nato members would be to much to resist if you had the opportunity.
It is the reasons why Russia would back brexit that are relevant here. They would not be doing it to boost the UKs global standing, would they? Does it mean they thinj brexit would weaken the UK and the west? That would seem a logical deduction.
And what does it say about Banks if he has colluded? Is that patriotic?
And what does it say about Banks if he has colluded? Is that patriotic?
Special interest groups are one thing, interference by a foreign power (if shown) is another. It seems likely that Russia seeks to destabilise the EU and NATO wherever possible. It is not clear that Putin is a long term strategic thinker, but he is good at short to medium term chaos distribution. The USSR spent itself to exhaustion on military hardware. Putin is astute enough to realise that a modest amount spent on cyber warfare and a few million here and there to fund the destabilisation of democracies are a better deal than lots of tanks.
///ajd said:
It is the reasons why Russia would back brexit that are relevant here. They would not be doing it to boost the UKs global standing, would they? Does it mean they thinj brexit would weaken the UK and the west? That would seem a logical deduction.
And what does it say about Banks if he has colluded? Is that patriotic?
If you're looking for evidence that Brexit must be a bad thing, inferring it from the fact that an antagonistic state *might* have been in favour is a bit of a stretch. You could equally look at the global companies who were heavily in favour of remaining, and ask if the EU is seen as being an easy target for corporate globalisation.And what does it say about Banks if he has colluded? Is that patriotic?
The point being that both inside and outside of the UK, Brexit was not looked at in an altruistic manner - all groups considered how they would benefit or suffer as a result and that played into their political position. That's expected in a democratic vote, and the public discourse had before the referendum was an opportunity for those cases to be aired, countered and discussed. We *know* that democracy is also challenged by spin and media, but on the whole it cannot be eliminated without moving away from a genuinely democratic vote.
What's happening here is that some people are focussing on one small (extreme) part of the democratic process and treating it as though this is exceptional and demonstrates a basic flaw in the referendum. That ignores the fact that there were plenty of other opposing forces that provided the much needed counterpoint. The (marginal) participation of one group in a vote does not in itself render the vote invalid.
A very interesting article about Banks but all it proves is the tangled web of public and non public company use he has his fingers in (usually in the till) these practices are not unique and as for turnover v profit it’s very often the turnover that is king just look at the likes of Amazon and Facebook ok on a different scale to this but for years both had massive turnover figures while they were developing their businesses and very little if any profit.
As for his diamond mines is that just to look good and boast to others? Lend my empire another £10mill look I own diamond mines!
These political campaigns really don’t care where the money comes from.
As for his diamond mines is that just to look good and boast to others? Lend my empire another £10mill look I own diamond mines!
These political campaigns really don’t care where the money comes from.
Hmm interesting!
Electoral Commission to investigate Arron Banks’ Brexit donations
"The Electoral Commission will investigate donations worth £2.3m, assessing whether Banks was the “true source” of loans made in his name. It will also establish whether Better for the Country was the “true source” of donations made to Brexit campaigners or whether it was “acting as an agent” for some other source of funds."
Electoral Commission to investigate Arron Banks’ Brexit donations
"The Electoral Commission will investigate donations worth £2.3m, assessing whether Banks was the “true source” of loans made in his name. It will also establish whether Better for the Country was the “true source” of donations made to Brexit campaigners or whether it was “acting as an agent” for some other source of funds."
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