Selling 981 S, where now?
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Has anyone sold their 981 (privately) recently, if so how did you get on? Normally I find selling cars privately a right pain because they've all been fairly expensive and most folk don't have the cash available, even when the car is 'priced to sell' it's normally been bought by a dealer. They've all had desirable specifications and under manufactures warranty etc., so it's not that.
Secondly, what did you buy next? My initial thought was a 997 or 987 as they are more in tune to what I find desirable in a car but I think I am all Porsched out to be honest (been there done that, visited enough OPC's to last me a lifetime).
Secondly, what did you buy next? My initial thought was a 997 or 987 as they are more in tune to what I find desirable in a car but I think I am all Porsched out to be honest (been there done that, visited enough OPC's to last me a lifetime).
If you are selling privately you need to make an effort:
- Full valet/detail
- Lots of really good photos in a nice setting
- Well worded advert
- Properly presented service history
- Ideally the car is still under Porsche Warranty - it adds value and gives the buyer confidence
- Sensible price
Bit of work, but can definitely be worth it.
- Full valet/detail
- Lots of really good photos in a nice setting
- Well worded advert
- Properly presented service history
- Ideally the car is still under Porsche Warranty - it adds value and gives the buyer confidence
- Sensible price
Bit of work, but can definitely be worth it.
rob.kellock said:
I went from Cayman 981S to 997GTS last May. Very happy with that decision.
Did it not feel a bit odd paying more for an older 997 (with possibly more miles)? On paper it makes no sense to do so, but if 997 depreciation is minimal then it really doesn't matter what you pay for it as you get the money back when you sell it.Lotus etc of no interest as I'm down to about 20,000 miles a year. Must be manual, RWD, naturally aspirated etc. Just nothing ticks my fancy at the moment, tried Aston etc but a bit out dated.
anonymous said:
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You are probably right, not much is similar to 9x7 but I've already owned one for a few years, been there done that etc. It would be hard for me to buy another as good as my last, and then I'll no doubt have to put 4 new tyres on it, go take it for a 111 etc. and I just don't know if I can be bothered. I guess I could say that about any second hand car though.My biggest problem with the 981 is it gives me no confidence, especially in the wet or when the road surface is constantly changing. I have no doubt that the car has a lot of mechanical grip but in the wet I may as well be driving a 1.6 hatchback.
Corners were you can gradually increase your speed to find the limit of adhesion are fine (e.g. a roundabout) but those that are 'fast in, fast out' I really struggle with. Sometimes I do think f
k it and push on, only to find the car starting to understeer without warning, the ESP comes into play and the car starts to oversteer before coming back in line. Any advice to the above would be appreciate, Cmoose.
P.S. I have spent a fair amount of hours with a V10 R8 and you are right on the money, same with V8 Vantage etc.
Thanks Cmoose.
The bread and butter 3.6 997 is fine with me but the market is a bit thin at the moment and is predominantly full of overpriced mediocre examples - it is just a case of waiting for the right one to appear.
I still think I would be a lot more comfortable with an OPC warranty, it's just that I know of a few individuals who's gen 2 997 has thrown up big bills e.g. gearbox failure (a quick google suggests this is not an isolated incident).
Back to my original question though - the guy I bought my current car off had it up for sale for approximately 6 months before I bought it. Yes it was originally overpriced for a private sale and yes he was a bit awkward but it is a very desirably specification though I'm surprised nobody succumb. Hopefully i'll have better luck.
The bread and butter 3.6 997 is fine with me but the market is a bit thin at the moment and is predominantly full of overpriced mediocre examples - it is just a case of waiting for the right one to appear.
I still think I would be a lot more comfortable with an OPC warranty, it's just that I know of a few individuals who's gen 2 997 has thrown up big bills e.g. gearbox failure (a quick google suggests this is not an isolated incident).
Back to my original question though - the guy I bought my current car off had it up for sale for approximately 6 months before I bought it. Yes it was originally overpriced for a private sale and yes he was a bit awkward but it is a very desirably specification though I'm surprised nobody succumb. Hopefully i'll have better luck.
Cmoose is much better placed to advise on your next Porsche, but if you're looking to move on to another Porsche would you not be better trading-in the 981 rather than selling it privately?
Selling a nice car privately can be a real pain and you'll not get a great deal more cash for it even if you do get an offer. Buyers looking at private sales are after a bargain otherwise they would be buying from a dealer. There being still a perceived 'risk' with a private sale. Then you have the 'timing' hassle, when the car you want appears and you haven't yet sold the 981, or you sell the 981 then can't find a replacement, and whilst you wait the value of the 981 is only going one way. It's really not worth it IMHO
Selling a nice car privately can be a real pain and you'll not get a great deal more cash for it even if you do get an offer. Buyers looking at private sales are after a bargain otherwise they would be buying from a dealer. There being still a perceived 'risk' with a private sale. Then you have the 'timing' hassle, when the car you want appears and you haven't yet sold the 981, or you sell the 981 then can't find a replacement, and whilst you wait the value of the 981 is only going one way. It's really not worth it IMHO
The Surveyor said:
Cmoose is much better placed to advise on your next Porsche, but if you're looking to move on to another Porsche would you not be better trading-in the 981 rather than selling it privately?
Selling a nice car privately can be a real pain and you'll not get a great deal more cash for it even if you do get an offer. Buyers looking at private sales are after a bargain otherwise they would be buying from a dealer. There being still a perceived 'risk' with a private sale. Then you have the 'timing' hassle, when the car you want appears and you haven't yet sold the 981, or you sell the 981 then can't find a replacement, and whilst you wait the value of the 981 is only going one way. It's really not worth it IMHO
I couldn't disagree with this more.Selling a nice car privately can be a real pain and you'll not get a great deal more cash for it even if you do get an offer. Buyers looking at private sales are after a bargain otherwise they would be buying from a dealer. There being still a perceived 'risk' with a private sale. Then you have the 'timing' hassle, when the car you want appears and you haven't yet sold the 981, or you sell the 981 then can't find a replacement, and whilst you wait the value of the 981 is only going one way. It's really not worth it IMHO
All the best cars trade privately, and always at the correct price. If I were to go to OPC they would be looking to offer me £8-10k below what I could expect privately, that is 1/4 of the cars value! Then you are of course paying more for the privilege of buying from them, so expect to pay £6-8k more than what you would privately.
Almost all my car purchases and sales have been private, I only buy from a dealer if they have the exact car I want and I've been waiting 6 months to find it. I don't intend to change this approach anytime soon.
I got out of a 981 BGTS and into a 997 GTS and it cost me £20K for the privilege 
Objectively, as I think cmoose said, 997 GTSs are eye wateringly expensive, especially if "correctly" specced (manual, coupe, RWD, no sunroof, plus however much further down the rabbit hole you want to go). So in that sense, they don't really stack up. That said, the 997 GTS specifically gives me all the things that I missed in the BGTS: sensible manual ratios, that last few % of top end zing, rear seats, better brake pedal and the 911 balance you just don't get in a Cayster. Certainly the second item on that list was enough for me to stump up the extra cash over a 2S (which sounds bonkers I know). Funnily enough ePAS never really bothered me that much. Is the steering feel better in the 997? Yes, but I would still class my experience of ePAS as very positive.
In trade off though, the 997 doesn't breathe over the road like a 9x1, and truth be told it feels a chunk heavier on its feet and the PASM is calibrated wrong for UK roads (Sport mode is unusable on the road). And I do miss the bonkers exhaust note of the 9x1.1s. I've always got half an eye out for a manual 991.1 GTS, but they make manual 997 GTSs look as ubiquitous as a Ford Focus.
Not sure any of this is useful for you OP, but I just thought I'd explain my thought process in case it helped inform yours
Objectively, as I think cmoose said, 997 GTSs are eye wateringly expensive, especially if "correctly" specced (manual, coupe, RWD, no sunroof, plus however much further down the rabbit hole you want to go). So in that sense, they don't really stack up. That said, the 997 GTS specifically gives me all the things that I missed in the BGTS: sensible manual ratios, that last few % of top end zing, rear seats, better brake pedal and the 911 balance you just don't get in a Cayster. Certainly the second item on that list was enough for me to stump up the extra cash over a 2S (which sounds bonkers I know). Funnily enough ePAS never really bothered me that much. Is the steering feel better in the 997? Yes, but I would still class my experience of ePAS as very positive.In trade off though, the 997 doesn't breathe over the road like a 9x1, and truth be told it feels a chunk heavier on its feet and the PASM is calibrated wrong for UK roads (Sport mode is unusable on the road). And I do miss the bonkers exhaust note of the 9x1.1s. I've always got half an eye out for a manual 991.1 GTS, but they make manual 997 GTSs look as ubiquitous as a Ford Focus.
Not sure any of this is useful for you OP, but I just thought I'd explain my thought process in case it helped inform yours
SkinnyPete said:
The Surveyor said:
Cmoose is much better placed to advise on your next Porsche, but if you're looking to move on to another Porsche would you not be better trading-in the 981 rather than selling it privately?
Selling a nice car privately can be a real pain and you'll not get a great deal more cash for it even if you do get an offer. Buyers looking at private sales are after a bargain otherwise they would be buying from a dealer. There being still a perceived 'risk' with a private sale. Then you have the 'timing' hassle, when the car you want appears and you haven't yet sold the 981, or you sell the 981 then can't find a replacement, and whilst you wait the value of the 981 is only going one way. It's really not worth it IMHO
I couldn't disagree with this more.Selling a nice car privately can be a real pain and you'll not get a great deal more cash for it even if you do get an offer. Buyers looking at private sales are after a bargain otherwise they would be buying from a dealer. There being still a perceived 'risk' with a private sale. Then you have the 'timing' hassle, when the car you want appears and you haven't yet sold the 981, or you sell the 981 then can't find a replacement, and whilst you wait the value of the 981 is only going one way. It's really not worth it IMHO
All the best cars trade privately, and always at the correct price. If I were to go to OPC they would be looking to offer me £8-10k below what I could expect privately, that is 1/4 of the cars value! Then you are of course paying more for the privilege of buying from them, so expect to pay £6-8k more than what you would privately.
Almost all my car purchases and sales have been private, I only buy from a dealer if they have the exact car I want and I've been waiting 6 months to find it. I don't intend to change this approach anytime soon.
I wasn't necessarily meaning sticking within the OPC network, there are loads of specialist prestige dealers with a stock of nearly new Porsches that would take your 981 in stock and where a deal can be made, but hay, crack on with the entertaining world of private sales and purchases.
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