ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
So as of today there as additional 'T-charge' for entering the congestion zone in London. Reading more about this reveals a plan to extend this zone to areas within the circular road and it will be enforced on weekends and bank holidays too.
So if your trusty old car happens to be registered in 2003 and you happen to live or work within the area covered by the circular road you have to pay £10 a day.
That is £10*365 = £3,650 extra to maintain your car? Correct?
So if your trusty old car happens to be registered in 2003 and you happen to live or work within the area covered by the circular road you have to pay £10 a day.
That is £10*365 = £3,650 extra to maintain your car? Correct?
captainaverage said:
So as of today there as additional 'T-charge' for entering the congestion zone in London. Reading more about this reveals a plan to extend this zone to areas within the circular road and it will be enforced on weekends and bank holidays too.
So if your trusty old car happens to be registered in 2003 and you happen to live or work within the area covered by the circular road you have to pay £10 a day.
That is £10*365 = £3,650 extra to maintain your car? Correct?
You probably do not go into work on all 365 aye of the year.So if your trusty old car happens to be registered in 2003 and you happen to live or work within the area covered by the circular road you have to pay £10 a day.
That is £10*365 = £3,650 extra to maintain your car? Correct?
I know there have been dozens of threads on this, but if you work in the highlighted central area here ( https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge...) and commute by car, you deserve to be financially disincentivised.
London is already much too congested and polluted, without the selfishness of individuals driving their cars into the heart of it at peak hours. The public transport infrastructure gives ample opportunity to make journeys inside that zone 24/7, and I can't see any good argument for driving in.
London is already much too congested and polluted, without the selfishness of individuals driving their cars into the heart of it at peak hours. The public transport infrastructure gives ample opportunity to make journeys inside that zone 24/7, and I can't see any good argument for driving in.
Edited by C70R on Monday 23 October 12:09
captainaverage said:
So as of today there as additional 'T-charge' for entering the congestion zone in London. Reading more about this reveals a plan to extend this zone to areas within the circular road and it will be enforced on weekends and bank holidays too.
So if your trusty old car happens to be registered in 2003 and you happen to live or work within the area covered by the circular road you have to pay £10 a day.
That is £10*365 = £3,650 extra to maintain your car? Correct?
Yes, but any pre-existing Congestion Charge discounts (for example if you are a resident within the zone) also apply to the T-charge:So if your trusty old car happens to be registered in 2003 and you happen to live or work within the area covered by the circular road you have to pay £10 a day.
That is £10*365 = £3,650 extra to maintain your car? Correct?
"If your vehicle is registered for any discount from the Congestion Charge, other than the 9 + Seater discount, you will automatically benefit from the same discount from the T-Charge. (For example, vehicles with a 100 percent Congestion Charge discount will receive a 100 per cent discount from the T- Charge and Residents with a 90 percent discount will receive a 90 percent discount from the T-Charge.)"
So the total amount would reduce somewhat but it would still cost more than currently.
captainaverage said:
So if your trusty old car happens to be registered in 2003 and you happen to live or work within the area covered by the circular road you have to pay £10 a day.
The official guidance was pre-2006, but some manufacturers are classed as early-adopters - my 2002 Audi S3 is exempt.What I don't get is the line in the press that the worst off will be hardest hit - you pay significantly more to drive into the C-charge zone and park there, than it does to use public transport.
London has become such a hateful place to drive anyway, that I'm just glad I can normally walk to work..
hoegaardenruls said:
The official guidance was pre-2006, but some manufacturers are classed as early-adopters - my 2002 Audi S3 is exempt.
What I don't get is the line in the press that the worst off will be hardest hit - you pay significantly more to drive into the C-charge zone and park there, than it does to use public transport.
London has become such a hateful place to drive anyway, that I'm just glad I can normally walk to work..
I wasn't talking about the existing area. That line would be applicable to the extended region area 2021What I don't get is the line in the press that the worst off will be hardest hit - you pay significantly more to drive into the C-charge zone and park there, than it does to use public transport.
London has become such a hateful place to drive anyway, that I'm just glad I can normally walk to work..
mradam said:
Yes, but any pre-existing Congestion Charge discounts (for example if you are a resident within the zone) also apply to the T-charge:
"If your vehicle is registered for any discount from the Congestion Charge, other than the 9 + Seater discount, you will automatically benefit from the same discount from the T-Charge. (For example, vehicles with a 100 percent Congestion Charge discount will receive a 100 per cent discount from the T- Charge and Residents with a 90 percent discount will receive a 90 percent discount from the T-Charge.)"
So the total amount would reduce somewhat but it would still cost more than currently.
Well ~£365 is better than ~£3650"If your vehicle is registered for any discount from the Congestion Charge, other than the 9 + Seater discount, you will automatically benefit from the same discount from the T-Charge. (For example, vehicles with a 100 percent Congestion Charge discount will receive a 100 per cent discount from the T- Charge and Residents with a 90 percent discount will receive a 90 percent discount from the T-Charge.)"
So the total amount would reduce somewhat but it would still cost more than currently.
C70R said:
I know there have been dozens of threads on this, but if you work in the highlighted central area here ( https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge...) and commute by car, you deserve to be financially disincentivised.
London is already much too congested and polluted, without the selfishness of individuals driving their cars into the heart of it at peak hours. The public transport infrastructure gives ample opportunity to make journeys inside that zone 24/7, and I can't see any good argument for driving in.
Far from it - Tell me how to get from Lee Green - Sydenham (my GF's old commute) without a car.....or even the prior one - Lee - Ramsden (Orpington) on public transport that is in any way time effective or allows her to carry a colleague and equipment?London is already much too congested and polluted, without the selfishness of individuals driving their cars into the heart of it at peak hours. The public transport infrastructure gives ample opportunity to make journeys inside that zone 24/7, and I can't see any good argument for driving in.
Edited by C70R on Monday 23 October 12:09
captainaverage said:
swisstoni said:
Just part of the Mayor's ambitious I Have To Be Seen To At Least Be Doing Something campaign.
Likely. Look I am doing something!
kiethton said:
C70R said:
I know there have been dozens of threads on this, but if you work in the highlighted central area here ( https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge...) and commute by car, you deserve to be financially disincentivised.
London is already much too congested and polluted, without the selfishness of individuals driving their cars into the heart of it at peak hours. The public transport infrastructure gives ample opportunity to make journeys inside that zone 24/7, and I can't see any good argument for driving in.
Far from it - Tell me how to get from Lee Green - Sydenham (my GF's old commute) without a car.....or even the prior one - Lee - Ramsden (Orpington) on public transport that is in any way time effective or allows her to carry a colleague and equipment?London is already much too congested and polluted, without the selfishness of individuals driving their cars into the heart of it at peak hours. The public transport infrastructure gives ample opportunity to make journeys inside that zone 24/7, and I can't see any good argument for driving in.
Edited by C70R on Monday 23 October 12:09
Not sure if you're serious or not.
- Lee (only "Lee Green" if you're embarrassed to live next to Catford
) to Sydenham appears to be half an hour on a bus (the 202) - Lee to Ramsden appears to be ~45min, by bus/train/bus
- I assume your OH (and her colleague) is capable of the above, and the "equipment" isn't a cement-mixer
- None of these places are in the current T-Zone (did you look at my link?)
- The proposed (i.e. unconfirmed) ULEZ rollout may not include any of those areas, or may offer exemption for living inside, and is likely to limit only to "Euro 4/5" compliance for cars - hardly a major hurdle if she was hell-bent on driving
captainaverage said:
kiethton said:
Far from it - Tell me how to get from Lee Green - Sydenham (my GF's old commute) without a car.....or even the prior one - Lee - Ramsden (Orpington) on public transport that is in any way time effective or allows her to carry a colleague and equipment?
I'm doubtful he's travelled with equipment on public transport while taking a bus on a busy route that gets full before reaching your stop delaying you for another 15-30 mins that makes you miss another bus/train delaying you further while standing in pouring rain...How many people regularly commute into Central London with "equipment" that is too heavy/cumbersome to carry? And what is this "equipment?
Where are these "busy routes" where buses only turn up every "15-30min"?
C70R said:
Erm...
Not sure if you're serious or not.
how much do you use public transport? Not sure if you're serious or not.
- Lee (only "Lee Green" if you're embarrassed to live next to Catford ) to Sydenham appears to be half an hour on a bus (the 202)
- Lee to Ramsden appears to be ~45min, by bus/train/bus
- I assume your OH (and her colleague) is capable of the above, and the "equipment" isn't a cement-mixer
- None of these places are in the current T-Zone (did you look at my link?)
- The proposed (i.e. unconfirmed) ULEZ rollout may not include any of those areas, or may offer exemption for living inside, and is likely to limit only to "Euro 4/5" compliance for cars - hardly a major hurdle if she was hell-bent on driving
Rovinghawk said:
C70R said:
What is this spurious "equipment" you're talking about?
In my case a theodolite, tripod, survey staff, coupla cans of spraypaint, sledgehammer & a few steel pins plus a laptop & a packed lunch.That's not much less than a camel castrator carries
( i think i put that gag up some time ago in the Sean Cnnery thread in the Lounge if further info is needed!!!)
Cold said:
What they need is some sort of natural process for absorbing the gasses that are deemed harmful, like a load of plants and trees brought into the area. Sure, space for such a scheme is limited in London, so perhaps this should be placed on a bridge across the river.
The insane, corrupt proposal to do this was in the wrong part of London, in an area least affected by standing traffic. In reality it was a private companies entertainment venue, to which the general public did not have free and unlimited access.
it was rightly thrown out for being a waste of money before it even left the drawing board.
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