PDK stick shift
Discussion
bcr5784 said:
To drive a pdk like a manual is silly. If you don't exploit the quicker changes pdk gives you are missing the point.
How does using the PDK stick or paddles affect the speed with which it changes gear? Whether your hand is hovering over the stick or fingers hovering over the paddle the gear change time is exactly the same. Si-3PO said:
How does using the PDK stick or paddles affect the speed with which it changes gear? Whether your hand is hovering over the stick or fingers hovering over the paddle the gear change time is exactly the same.
It doesn't. I'm addressing the point about planning, manual vs pdk. Faster changes mean different plans. As I say there are times on lock where the stick is more convenient. bcr5784 said:
It doesn't. I'm addressing the point about planning, manual vs pdk. Faster changes mean different plans. As I say there are times on lock where the stick is more convenient.
rubbish, the advantage in tight bends is keeping both hands on the wheel if you have paddles. and knowing how to hold a steering wheel in the correct way !As I said automatic drivers seem to have lost all skill on how to drive and forward plan, and most people cannot hold a steering wheel anyway it seems :-(
Porsche911R said:
rubbish, the advantage in tight bends is keeping both hands on the wheel if you have paddles. and knowing how to hold a steering wheel in the correct way !
As I said automatic drivers seem to have lost all skill on how to drive and forward plan, and most people cannot hold a steering wheel anyway it seems :-(
That works on track and paddles on the wheel are correct. It is wrong on the road. The paddles on the column are better for the road and would remove the need for the stick. As usual spanish drivers assume that those of us who choose pdk don't have other cars in which we habitually heel and toe. Wrong. Try to have a constructive discussion or keep quiet. As I said automatic drivers seem to have lost all skill on how to drive and forward plan, and most people cannot hold a steering wheel anyway it seems :-(
bcr5784 said:
That works on track and paddles on the wheel are correct. It is wrong on the road. The paddles on the column are better for the road and would remove the need for the stick. As usual spanish drivers assume that those of us who choose pdk don't have other cars in which we habitually heel and toe. Wrong. Try to have a constructive discussion or keep quiet.
this has nothing to do with heal and toe, or track work it's basic forward planning and knowing how to hold a steering wheel. I would say 85% people on here cannot even do the latter.on a tight round about as you stated one really wants both hands on the steering wheel as most times the car will over steer on the way out. , scrub that lol most will under steer like a pig as that same 85% of people have stock understeering geo's !!!
but if you want to do it one handed while changing gear with understeer , that's your call I guess :-)
I'll plan, brake, change down gear, move hands back to the steering wheel, take the bend , power out of the apex and then change again.
paddles again far far easier, as less to do in the braking zone and allows both hands to always stay on the steering wheel.
what is this PDK stick change doing for you ? most new performance hyper cars have no stick shift these days, it's offers nothing.
I guess there's the thought in the mind of someone who has driven a manual and switched to PDK that at least they know where the stick is, whereas the paddles move around with the steering wheel. Now that's OK on a track where your hands don't move from their initial "10 to 2" position on the wheel but if you're using the road convention of "push pull" or even crossing your hands (my driving instructor slapped my hand if I ever did that) the paddles often don't line up with where your hands land. In a long fast bend the paddles may be at 5 and 11 O'Clock with your hands at 3 and 9 so you have to consciously find them by relocating your hands. Not being a racing driver, this has caught me out a few times.
For "fun" I sometimes use the stick and doing this reminds me that the PDK box can be driven like a manual but with faster, idiot proof, changes. 99% of the time, or if I'm pressing on, I'll keep it in auto only using the paddles to change down if needs be.
For "fun" I sometimes use the stick and doing this reminds me that the PDK box can be driven like a manual but with faster, idiot proof, changes. 99% of the time, or if I'm pressing on, I'll keep it in auto only using the paddles to change down if needs be.
DJMC said:
I guess there's the thought in the mind of someone who has driven a manual and switched to PDK that at least they know where the stick is, whereas the paddles move around with the steering wheel. Now that's OK on a track where your hands don't move from their initial "10 to 2" position on the wheel but if you're using the road convention of "push pull" or even crossing your hands (my driving instructor slapped my hand if I ever did that) the paddles often don't line up with where your hands land. In a long fast bend the paddles may be at 5 and 11 O'Clock with your hands at 3 and 9 so you have to consciously find them by relocating your hands. Not being a racing driver, this has caught me out a few times.
For "fun" I sometimes use the stick and doing this reminds me that the PDK box can be driven like a manual but with faster, idiot proof, changes. 99% of the time, or if I'm pressing on, I'll keep it in auto only using the paddles to change down if needs be.
but you should not hold the wheel "10 to 2" !!!!! hence my quote on people really needing to learn how to hold a steering wheel ;-)For "fun" I sometimes use the stick and doing this reminds me that the PDK box can be driven like a manual but with faster, idiot proof, changes. 99% of the time, or if I'm pressing on, I'll keep it in auto only using the paddles to change down if needs be.
also quotes like this back up how funny it is "In a long fast bend the paddles may be at 5 and 11 O'Clock with your hands at 3 and 9"
and "consciously find them by relocating your hands" again learn how to hold the wheel , pop over I'll show you :-)
holding a wheel is basics but it's a shock as I have said how 85% and I think maybe 90+ % cannot do the basics.
I am serious, you live 5 miles away, I'll teach you how to hold a steering wheel.
Porsche911R said:
but you should not hold the wheel "10 to 2" !!!!! hence my quote on people really needing to learn how to hold a steering wheel ;-)
also quotes like this back up how funny it is "In a long fast bend the paddles may be at 5 and 11 O'Clock with your hands at 3 and 9"
and "consciously find them by relocating your hands" again learn how to hold the wheel , pop over I'll show you :-)
holding a wheel is basics but it's a shock as I have said how 85% and I think maybe 90+ % cannot do the basics.
I am serious, you live 5 miles away, I'll teach you how to hold a steering wheel.
Are you saying that my PEC instructor was wrong to say "on the track, hold the wheel at 10 to 2, or a quarter to three and do not move your hands, there's no need."also quotes like this back up how funny it is "In a long fast bend the paddles may be at 5 and 11 O'Clock with your hands at 3 and 9"
and "consciously find them by relocating your hands" again learn how to hold the wheel , pop over I'll show you :-)
holding a wheel is basics but it's a shock as I have said how 85% and I think maybe 90+ % cannot do the basics.
I am serious, you live 5 miles away, I'll teach you how to hold a steering wheel.
On the road I leave them at 3 and 9 as that's where they feel balanced and comfortable.
Edited by DJMC on Monday 6th November 10:36
Porsche911R said:
but you should not hold the wheel "10 to 2" !!!!! hence my quote on people really needing to learn how to hold a steering wheel ;-)
also quotes like this back up how funny it is "In a long fast bend the paddles may be at 5 and 11 O'Clock with your hands at 3 and 9"
and "consciously find them by relocating your hands" again learn how to hold the wheel , pop over I'll show you :-)
holding a wheel is basics but it's a shock as I have said how 85% and I think maybe 90+ % cannot do the basics.
I am serious, you live 5 miles away, I'll teach you how to hold a steering wheel.
For arrogance that really takes some beating. Tell you what come over to mine, and I will teach you how to drive pdk properly!! also quotes like this back up how funny it is "In a long fast bend the paddles may be at 5 and 11 O'Clock with your hands at 3 and 9"
and "consciously find them by relocating your hands" again learn how to hold the wheel , pop over I'll show you :-)
holding a wheel is basics but it's a shock as I have said how 85% and I think maybe 90+ % cannot do the basics.
I am serious, you live 5 miles away, I'll teach you how to hold a steering wheel.
anonymous said:
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The BIG advantage of pdk over a manual is that changing gear mid corner doesn't unsettle the car in any normal circumstances in the dry. So why not exploit that?Regarding fixed 10 to 2 on the road, it simply doesn't work all the time unless your car has a maximum of 1 and a half turns lock to lock. Since most cars have more like 3 turns or more you won't get full lock or even near with a fixed grip.
And try doing an auto test with a fixed grip!
Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 7th November 18:12
Whilst MrD is describing things in his usual arogant manner absent of any self- awareness he does have a point. There is no reason to move your hands from the 9 to 3 position even if you have to rotate the steering wheel past 180 deg. Rotational steering technique where the hands always stay at the 9 to 3 position however many rotations you have undertaken takes a bit of practice but once mastered means you always know when the wheels are straight (quite a godsend when things get lairy) and you are always able to grab the next up/down shift.
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