Public sector - how much can we take?
Discussion
I hear that 1 in 4 of the working population is in the public sector. In other words, directly or indirectly, they are paid by the taxes from the other 75% of us. Their pensions - which uncannily seem exempt from market forces - are also fattened up by our taxes (from our disposable income, mind, so your pension fund is reduced to make theirs bigger)
So as the proportion of 'kept' workers increases year on year, the burden on the remainder of 'real' workers grows ever greater.
I wonder what percentage the population can bear before the whole system implodes? And how will it implode? Revolution? National bankruptcy?
So as the proportion of 'kept' workers increases year on year, the burden on the remainder of 'real' workers grows ever greater.
I wonder what percentage the population can bear before the whole system implodes? And how will it implode? Revolution? National bankruptcy?
1 in 4 is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it?
I think its around 18% directly employed by the central/local governments with a further 4% in organisations dependent on the government.
But the numbers are rapidly rising this is a deliberate Labour policy-they increase the numbers of those dependent on them.
I think its around 18% directly employed by the central/local governments with a further 4% in organisations dependent on the government.
But the numbers are rapidly rising this is a deliberate Labour policy-they increase the numbers of those dependent on them.
And it looks set to grow even more...
£65Million of the £280million set aside to improve school dinners is being used to set up a f
ing quango....
I guess when it gets to 100% employed in the public sector BLiar and Brown Shit Stain will acheived their dream of Communist UK......
>> Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Wednesday 13th April 15:48
£65Million of the £280million set aside to improve school dinners is being used to set up a f
ing quango.... I guess when it gets to 100% employed in the public sector BLiar and Brown Shit Stain will acheived their dream of Communist UK......
>> Edited by jesusbuiltmycar on Wednesday 13th April 15:48
It can go a lot further without causing economic collapse. Apparently 57% of the French population are dependent on someone who is being paid by the state.
It is a daft way to allocate resources and limits potential growth. Not because civil servants are lazy buggers (?), but simply because they are not being driven by the profit motive. Making and spending profits is the nitrous that drives the economy.
It is a daft way to allocate resources and limits potential growth. Not because civil servants are lazy buggers (?), but simply because they are not being driven by the profit motive. Making and spending profits is the nitrous that drives the economy.
The GMan said:
Give it about 6 months and you will see and hear about a lot less people working in the Public Sector. Trust me!
I agree to a certain extent, but the reality will be that the people that are going to be pushed 'out' of the Public Sector will not actually change what work they are doing, they will just be 'outsourced' to the Capitas and EDSs of this world - AT A HIGHER COST! just to demonstrate bogus efficiencies.
JagLover said:
1 in 4 is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it?
I think its around 18% directly employed by the central/local governments with a further 4% in organisations dependent on the government.
But the numbers are rapidly rising this is a deliberate Labour policy-they increase the numbers of those dependent on them.
The health service alone employs 4%. I think the 25% is probably on the light side.
By chance today I got a 'report' from a quango called Skillset. 'Employment Census 2004: The results of the fifth census of the audio visual industries.'
They phoned me to ask if I would take part in the survery, but when they sent the questionnaire I threw it away in disgust. When they chased me up, I told them what I thought of the whole boiling lot. They proceeded anyway...
So we have:
Contents:
Executive Summary
Introduction
Overall size and shape of the industry
Representation of women
Representation of ethnic minorities
Representation of disabled people
Figures:
Response and estimated coverage by sector
Employment in the industry by sector
Total numbers of employees and freelancers in each occupational group
Percentages of the workforce who are freelance in each occupatinal group
Percentages of the workforce who are freelance in each sector
Work base of the industry
Representation of women in the industry in each sector
Representation of women in the industry in each occupational group
Representation of women in the workforce nationally and regionally
Percentages of ethnic minorities in the industry in each sector
Representation of ethnic minorities by occupational group
Representation of ethnic minorities nationally and regionally
Percentages of disabled people in each sector.
Why, please? Is it important? No.
www.skillset.org
And at the end there's another big form I can fill in and send to some outfit called Qualasys Ltd.
Now, how many people were involved in all that tosh and how many millions has it cost the taxpayer?
They phoned me to ask if I would take part in the survery, but when they sent the questionnaire I threw it away in disgust. When they chased me up, I told them what I thought of the whole boiling lot. They proceeded anyway...
So we have:
Contents:
Executive Summary
Introduction
Overall size and shape of the industry
Representation of women
Representation of ethnic minorities
Representation of disabled people
Figures:
Response and estimated coverage by sector
Employment in the industry by sector
Total numbers of employees and freelancers in each occupational group
Percentages of the workforce who are freelance in each occupatinal group
Percentages of the workforce who are freelance in each sector
Work base of the industry
Representation of women in the industry in each sector
Representation of women in the industry in each occupational group
Representation of women in the workforce nationally and regionally
Percentages of ethnic minorities in the industry in each sector
Representation of ethnic minorities by occupational group
Representation of ethnic minorities nationally and regionally
Percentages of disabled people in each sector.
Why, please? Is it important? No.
www.skillset.org
And at the end there's another big form I can fill in and send to some outfit called Qualasys Ltd.
Now, how many people were involved in all that tosh and how many millions has it cost the taxpayer?
It wouldn't be so bad if the quality of service improved commensurately with the numbers employed.
It's getting close to what I believe economists call Keynism (after the economist John Keynes) who claimed that the way to achieve the eutopia of full emplyoment is for the government to employ everyone. An approach that has been proven not to work as economies have simply imploded when adopting this idea.
(Economic scholars feel free to embelish)
It's getting close to what I believe economists call Keynism (after the economist John Keynes) who claimed that the way to achieve the eutopia of full emplyoment is for the government to employ everyone. An approach that has been proven not to work as economies have simply imploded when adopting this idea.
(Economic scholars feel free to embelish)
steviebee said:
It wouldn't be so bad if the quality of service improved commensurately with the numbers employed.
It's getting close to what I believe economists call Keynism (after the economist John Keynes) who claimed that the way to achieve the eutopia of full emplyoment is for the government to employ everyone. An approach that has been proven not to work as economies have simply imploded when adopting this idea.
(Economic scholars feel free to embelish)
errr no
Keynesian economics is partly to do with demand management by the government, through operating a counter cyclical fiscal policy.
steviebee said:
the way to achieve the eutopia of full emplyoment is for the government to employ everyone.
Which is patently nonsense as if everyone works for the Government, who pays the tax to support them? Just one lonesome crofter in the Orkneys who gets a tax demand of £100Bn a year...?
simpo two said:
the way to achieve the eutopia of full emplyoment is for the government to employ everyone.
Which is patently nonsense as if everyone works for the Government, who pays the tax to support them? Just one lonesome crofter in the Orkneys who gets a tax demand of £100Bn a year...?
The ultimate expression of the "everyone working for the government" idea is the communist system.
The governement owns all businesses, so everyone is working for them and thus ensuring that profits and the product of labour is shared equally by all.
In theory it sounds great, in the real world, it simply doesnt work....
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