New Kawasaki sports tourer
Discussion
https://www.kawasaki.co.uk/en/products/Sport_Toure...
Launched today at the Milan bike show. Thinking of as a K1300S replacement. Thoughts /opinions?
Launched today at the Milan bike show. Thinking of as a K1300S replacement. Thoughts /opinions?
black-k1 said:
Could be interesting and certainly worth a look. Chain drive is a minus but not the end of the world. However. looking at the HP and torque numbers, they've not really made much use of the super charger. If I'm getting blown I want it to be more exiting than that! 
I;ve been hearing about this for a while. Nowt wrong with chain drive, works well on my H2. They would have detuned the power and torque and if anything like my engine limited in all gears. Reading they have concentrated on better milage via larger tank but also trying to get the engine and charger to give better MPG. going from a 17ltr tank that on the H2 will be on the fuel light in under 85miles giveing 33MPG at best (I never bought the bike for good MPG) to 24ltr I think on the new tourer.
I like it just not the paint job.
for the edit
https://rideapart.com/articles/kawasaki-unveils-su...
they are talking about 800cc sportbikes. tourers and other bikes with the supercharger, not in the link just rumours
Edited by RemaL on Wednesday 8th November 08:26
RemaL said:
black-k1 said:
Could be interesting and certainly worth a look. Chain drive is a minus but not the end of the world. However. looking at the HP and torque numbers, they've not really made much use of the super charger. If I'm getting blown I want it to be more exiting than that!
I;ve been hearing about this for a while. Nowt wrong with chain drive, works well on my H2. They would have detuned the power and torque and if anything like my engine limited in all gears. Reading they have concentrated on better milage via larger tank but also trying to get the engine and charger to give better MPG. going from a 17ltr tank that on the H2 will be on the fuel light in under 85miles giveing 33MPG at best (I never bought the bike for good MPG) to 24ltr I think on the new tourer.
I like it just not the paint job.
As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
black-k1 said:
Chain on a sports bike is different to chain on a sports tourer. That said, it's not the end of the world if it's chain, just sub-optimal!
As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
You’re complaining about a chain being too much like a sports bike, but then want sportsbike performance in the next. As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
No pleasing some people.
Gavia said:
black-k1 said:
Chain on a sports bike is different to chain on a sports tourer. That said, it's not the end of the world if it's chain, just sub-optimal!
As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
You’re complaining about a chain being too much like a sports bike, but then want sportsbike performance in the next. As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
No pleasing some people.
For a Sports Tourer, I would have thought instant thrust would be to ultimate goal? 101 ft/lb from nowhere to redline is going to be seriously quick in any gear.
Gavia said:
black-k1 said:
Chain on a sports bike is different to chain on a sports tourer. That said, it's not the end of the world if it's chain, just sub-optimal!
As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
You’re complaining about a chain being too much like a sports bike, but then want sportsbike performance in the next. As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
No pleasing some people.
I also don't want sports bike performance. Why do you think that larger power and torque figures should belong only to sport bikes? I want 120lbft, which a charged engine is easily capable of delivering without significant compromise. If that equates to 240bhp then all well and good.
Steve Bass said:
Gavia said:
black-k1 said:
Chain on a sports bike is different to chain on a sports tourer. That said, it's not the end of the world if it's chain, just sub-optimal!
As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
You’re complaining about a chain being too much like a sports bike, but then want sportsbike performance in the next. As I understand the stats (I can't get the link above to work while in the office) the stats are approx 207bhp and 101lbft. That's naturally aspirated territory for a 1000cc lump at the moment. With a charger, and even in a mild state of tune, I'd expect to see 20% on those numbers.
No pleasing some people.
For a Sports Tourer, I would have thought instant thrust would be to ultimate goal? 101 ft/lb from nowhere to redline is going to be seriously quick in any gear.
Other than the bottom 20% of the rev range, current NA engines have a pretty flat torque curve.
Steve Bass said:
Also forgetting that the Supercharger will create a far broader and flatter torque curve so it'll pull the pants down on an equivalent N/A engine all day long. Go look at the power & torque of an equivalent 207 bhp Normally aspirated engine and see it thats what a Sports Tourer really wants.....
For a Sports Tourer, I would have thought instant thrust would be to ultimate goal? 101 ft/lb from nowhere to redline is going to be seriously quick in any gear.
Agreed, this is the like the whole Speed vs Street thread currently going on too where peak power is around the same of both engines. The torque curves aint! I guess for some headline power figures make the sales!For a Sports Tourer, I would have thought instant thrust would be to ultimate goal? 101 ft/lb from nowhere to redline is going to be seriously quick in any gear.
My H2 has been mildly tuned. PC5, Custom tune and removed all the limiters, DNA air filter and has 240BHP and 98lt ft torques with the cat still in place. . Mild Tune !! When I asked the dyno chap how it made the power and most was from removing the limits in the standard ECU kawasaki had put in place. I never wanted MAX power just rideable.
I can see this tourer having this and more. Many of the H2's I know of have 260-300BHP with a little more mods and remove the cat/replace with sports cat etc..
Kawasaki have kept the power and torque lower so they don't piss of the anti speed freaks out there.
I'm no mods expert like many on here I know who are much more knowledgeable.
I can see this tourer having this and more. Many of the H2's I know of have 260-300BHP with a little more mods and remove the cat/replace with sports cat etc..
Kawasaki have kept the power and torque lower so they don't piss of the anti speed freaks out there.
I'm no mods expert like many on here I know who are much more knowledgeable.
sjtscott said:
Steve Bass said:
Also forgetting that the Supercharger will create a far broader and flatter torque curve so it'll pull the pants down on an equivalent N/A engine all day long. Go look at the power & torque of an equivalent 207 bhp Normally aspirated engine and see it thats what a Sports Tourer really wants.....
For a Sports Tourer, I would have thought instant thrust would be to ultimate goal? 101 ft/lb from nowhere to redline is going to be seriously quick in any gear.
Agreed, this is the like the whole Speed vs Street thread currently going on too where peak power is around the same of both engines. The torque curves aint! I guess for some headline power figures make the sales!For a Sports Tourer, I would have thought instant thrust would be to ultimate goal? 101 ft/lb from nowhere to redline is going to be seriously quick in any gear.
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