RSV4 Factory rounded off fork pinch bolt
RSV4 Factory rounded off fork pinch bolt
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Walter Sobchak

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5,739 posts

255 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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I was trying to remove the front wheel on my bike today and all was going well until I got to the last fork pinch bolt got the Allen key in and it was just spinning so must have been rounded off by the previous owner, or when I got my tyres changed.
Could anyone reccomend a way to get it out?, was thinking about drilling it but won’t that leave part of the old bolt in the fork leg?.

Birky_41

4,659 posts

215 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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There are kits that specifically sort things like this out and they are cheap

Failing that I would try get a flat blade hammered into the front of the bolt and tap it out. The pressure while turning should loosen it up

CAPP0

20,881 posts

234 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Is the head proud or recessed? I'd be very wary of drilling it unless I'd got the fork leg off and in a pillar drill, otherwise the likelihood of drilling it central is limited.

If it's proud, then try tapping it round with a small cold chisel, or can you get some mole grips on it, or even welding something with a head to it (careful tho with heat and ally fork legs).

As above, you can get easy-out type things but you'd need a short squat one. You kinda need the reverse of these although I don't know whether they exist or what they're called:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0000CCXVZ/_encoding=U...

DuraAce

4,272 posts

191 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Bang a torx socket in

moto_traxport

4,265 posts

252 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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DuraAce said:
Bang a torx socket in
This is a good idea in principle but be careful - the bottom fork knuckle on these bikes is very fragile and they can crack just due to slightly overtightening the bolts.

Auntieroll

543 posts

215 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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DuraAce said:
Bang a torx socket in

+1,no need to hit it hard enough to crack the clamp, a series of blows from a small hammer will usually suffice!
Make sure the torx driver is driven fully home before you try to loosen the offending bolt.

Krikkit

27,941 posts

212 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Some pics might help for a better suggestion, but if not too rounded a sacrificial torx bit will usually work.

2wheelsjimmy

624 posts

128 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Mole grips on the part that’s protruding. They’re only done up to around 12nm so will easily come undone. Quick and low hassle. As long as it’s protruding.

Walter Sobchak

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5,739 posts

255 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Here is a pic of the offending bolt:


Sorry I’ve no idea why the image is rotated it was the right way up when I uploaded it.

Only other thing I thought of was to hacksaw some cuts in it and try and unscrew it with a screwdriver?.

f1nn

2,694 posts

223 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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I had similar on my ZZR1400, I replaced with stainless steel versions.

Spray with brake cleaner, fill with the two part chemical metal you can get from places like Halfords and set the tightest fitting hex/torx key in. Wait to set, unwind.

Rubin215

4,201 posts

187 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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Plenty of release spray (plus-gas, not WD-40) and a cold chisel and hammer.

It protrudes enough that you will be able to tap it undone pretty easily without causing any damage; it shouldn't be done up especially tight in the first place anyway.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

140 months

Sunday 12th November 2017
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If you have a Dremel with a cutting wheel you can cut a slot for a large flat screwdriver bit, and use that in a ratchet attachment to undo.
I would try the Torx first as you have nothing to lose.
The mole-grip idea is an accident waiting to happen on a tapered head.

InitialDave

15,189 posts

150 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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I would start with grinding flats on the side of the head and seeing if it'd come undone with a spanner.

Tall_Paul

1,915 posts

258 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Walter Sobchak said:
Here is a pic of the offending bolt:


Sorry I’ve no idea why the image is rotated it was the right way up when I uploaded it.

Only other thing I thought of was to hacksaw some cuts in it and try and unscrew it with a screwdriver?.
That's blatently been overtightened by some garage monkey, the ohlins fork bottoms are known for cracking if overtighened, they need just 12nm as per spec but 10nm is plenty.


This is what happened to mine (gen2 Tuono but the same model forks).


If yours have been tightened up enough to round off the bolt I'd be checking for cracks, the left one normally goes first as the metal is thinner (wider axle). By the way, a replacememt fork bottom is around £250-£300 fitted (with a fork service as the fork leg has to come apart) frown

Steve Bass

10,756 posts

264 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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+1 for the Torx.

Done this may times and works a treat. Doesn't have to be hammered in hard but just enough that it cuts into the internal faces to get a purchase.
As for cracking the front face, this is highly unlikely as the force is transmitted through the bolt into the rear threaded area.
And the reason these get graunched isn't usually because of over-tightening but because the bolt sits under the compression adjuster and needs a longer allen shaft to get to it. If you use the standard length socket mounted one the ratchet fouls the comp adjuster body and doesn't sit cleanly into the bolt. Half a turn later and bingo, you've buggered the bolt....

Aprilia... love 'em smile

moanthebairns

19,181 posts

229 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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f1nn said:
I had similar on my ZZR1400, I replaced with stainless steel versions.

Spray with brake cleaner, fill with the two part chemical metal you can get from places like Halfords and set the tightest fitting hex/torx key in. Wait to set, unwind.
This seems like a great idea.

I've tried the torx for stuff like this, it never works for me. Drilling, omfg, nightmare, I am fking useless at doing st like this. I will be trying your method.

Also I don't even attempt doing anything like this unless its reasonably warm in the garage, I've literally found hex heads starting to mush up when its freezing in the garage but fall out when its warm.

AnimalMother

1,548 posts

257 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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f1nn said:
I had similar on my ZZR1400, I replaced with stainless steel versions.

Spray with brake cleaner, fill with the two part chemical metal you can get from places like Halfords and set the tightest fitting hex/torx key in. Wait to set, unwind.
I like that, great idea.

Krikkit

27,941 posts

212 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Another +1 on that being a great idea, I'll try that next time I have a rounded-off hex that I can keep a key in.

graeme4130

3,956 posts

212 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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Walter Sobchak said:
Here is a pic of the offending bolt:


Sorry I’ve no idea why the image is rotated it was the right way up when I uploaded it.

Only other thing I thought of was to hacksaw some cuts in it and try and unscrew it with a screwdriver?.
I'd dremel a slot into that, and use a screwdriver attachment for a drill with a socket set, or, as said above, carefully hammer a torn driver into it by just tapping it in slowly
Heating it up first with a heat gun will help too, and try and get some WD40 or similar into it as that can help work it's way into the threads and loosen things up a bit

Edited by graeme4130 on Monday 13th November 13:27

obscene

5,180 posts

216 months

Monday 13th November 2017
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I'll be another in the torx camp. Also as mentioned, try a bit of heat. Can't hurt to warm it up a bit.