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Did anyone watch it last night? Are there any British criminals left in the UK?
I was absolutely amazed, are no checks done anymore on people wishing to live in the UK? i.e Criminal records checks etc.
What the
is happening to Britain? I am no racist, I am in fact an a immigrant in my country of residence now. But a full history check was made before I was allowed to live here.
Every day I am losing the will to ever return to the UK to live
I was absolutely amazed, are no checks done anymore on people wishing to live in the UK? i.e Criminal records checks etc.
What the
is happening to Britain? I am no racist, I am in fact an a immigrant in my country of residence now. But a full history check was made before I was allowed to live here. Every day I am losing the will to ever return to the UK to live
JagLover said:
Even criminals can claim asylum if they claim they will be persecuted in their home countries.
Its time to stop the whole Lawyer/Human rights gravy train and construct a sensible immigration policy.
As I now understand it, no checks are made about a persons past on application to live and work in the UK, especially those from the European Union? WTF, so any convicted rapist, murderer etc can move to the UK no questions asked.
Why can't we do the checks and if they fail, send them back to where they came from.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the legitimate migrants who want to work hard and contribute towards society.
I'm sure somebody, somewhere, is this morning suggesting that the BBC is institutionally racist for only picking on criminals who are from ethnic minorities. We do all need to remember that the fact these criminals are all ethnic minorities does not mean that all ethnic minorities are criminals.
However, it certainly does reflect badly on Government policy that so many of the people who appeared last night are clearly recent immigrants rather than home-grown criminals.
Are these people criminals who have chosen to come to the UK, or are they people who have become criminals after arriving here because we have poor standards of policing and a liberal judiciary?
However, it certainly does reflect badly on Government policy that so many of the people who appeared last night are clearly recent immigrants rather than home-grown criminals.
Are these people criminals who have chosen to come to the UK, or are they people who have become criminals after arriving here because we have poor standards of policing and a liberal judiciary?
Mon Ami Mate said:
Are these people criminals who have chosen to come to the UK, or are they people who have become criminals after arriving here because we have poor standards of policing and a liberal judiciary?
An interesting question Mon Ami-probably a bit of both.
Immigrants lacking in education will be more likely to be poor and then turn to crime.
JagLover said:
Are these people criminals who have chosen to come to the UK, or are they people who have become criminals after arriving here because we have poor standards of policing and a liberal judiciary?
An interesting question Mon Ami-probably a bit of both.
Immigrants lacking in education will be more likely to be poor and then turn to crime.
I understand your point. But wealth or lack of, should have no reflection on committing crimes like rape or beating and killing someone in a kebab shop for no reason.
Mon Ami Mate said:
I'm sure somebody, somewhere, is this morning suggesting that the BBC is institutionally racist for only picking on criminals who are from ethnic minorities. We do all need to remember that the fact these criminals are all ethnic minorities does not mean that all ethnic minorities are criminals.
However, it certainly does reflect badly on Government policy that so many of the people who appeared last night are clearly recent immigrants rather than home-grown criminals.
Are these people criminals who have chosen to come to the UK, or are they people who have become criminals after arriving here because we have poor standards of policing and a liberal judiciary?
Some good points Mon Ami Mate. Also, consider that the cases that are shown on Crimewatch tend to be the ones where conventional detective work has run into a dead end and are not representative of criminal activity overall. The criminals featured are almost certainly selected because the criminals have no fixed abode, no ties to a certain geographic area or no conventional "foot print", all common with new arrivals to the Country.
It doesn't, however, get away from the fact that it is absurdly easy to get on our Island and exist without the authorities having any idea where or who you are.
Like the man says "don't have nightmares".
pp
JagLover said:
The reason why they are stereotypes is because they are based on facts. Black male criminals are more likely to be involved in street robberies and so forth.
Very true sometimes I think it would be nice to see on crimewatch people from other backgrounds commiting crimes ie Etonains robbing post offices Scousers commiting tax fraud ect
Without having seen the show....
There have been links between poverty and crime, including poor immigrant classes and crime. But the crime is linked to poverty and not any particular immigrant class or culture. The crime could be of any kind, stealing and chav-type behavior, to violent or gang crime, stemming out of some sort of frustration, unemployment, lack of education and future prospects. Some immigrant classes do start organized crime. If this seems racist or stereotypical, well, too bad.
Here are my data points: in the first great migration to the US, during the potato famine I believe, there were many poor Irish and Scots-Irish who were involved in crime. They were also discriminated against by the resident English. The term "Paddy wagon" was a police van that they used to pick up the fighting Irish. It came to refer to any police vehicle therafter, whether or not the Irish were being collected, as the "Paddys" became a synonymous term for any street punk. The Irish had organized crime as well, Boss Tweed, etc. The second great migration was from Italy and the mediterranean, and they brought some of their own brand of crime (see mafia). Our most recent group of poor immigrants are Hispanic and Latino...and guess what? Hispanic gang crime in East LA and south FL. In the mean time, following the abolition of slavery, unfair Jim Crow laws, segregation, years of racism, have kept former slaves and generations of their descendents (ie blacks or african americans) poor and disadvantaged. And, surprise, surprise, poor black neighborhoods also have high crime and gang activity. But so do poor white neighborhoods. It's not that the wealthy are more moral, but less desperate and frustrated. Wealth begets its own opportunities, and poverty is hard to overcome.
>> Edited by seafarer on Thursday 14th April 12:21
There have been links between poverty and crime, including poor immigrant classes and crime. But the crime is linked to poverty and not any particular immigrant class or culture. The crime could be of any kind, stealing and chav-type behavior, to violent or gang crime, stemming out of some sort of frustration, unemployment, lack of education and future prospects. Some immigrant classes do start organized crime. If this seems racist or stereotypical, well, too bad.
Here are my data points: in the first great migration to the US, during the potato famine I believe, there were many poor Irish and Scots-Irish who were involved in crime. They were also discriminated against by the resident English. The term "Paddy wagon" was a police van that they used to pick up the fighting Irish. It came to refer to any police vehicle therafter, whether or not the Irish were being collected, as the "Paddys" became a synonymous term for any street punk. The Irish had organized crime as well, Boss Tweed, etc. The second great migration was from Italy and the mediterranean, and they brought some of their own brand of crime (see mafia). Our most recent group of poor immigrants are Hispanic and Latino...and guess what? Hispanic gang crime in East LA and south FL. In the mean time, following the abolition of slavery, unfair Jim Crow laws, segregation, years of racism, have kept former slaves and generations of their descendents (ie blacks or african americans) poor and disadvantaged. And, surprise, surprise, poor black neighborhoods also have high crime and gang activity. But so do poor white neighborhoods. It's not that the wealthy are more moral, but less desperate and frustrated. Wealth begets its own opportunities, and poverty is hard to overcome.
>> Edited by seafarer on Thursday 14th April 12:21
pesty said:
A few years ago I don't think anybody would have started this thread for fear of being attacked as a racist with small genitals.
Do I sense a change in attitudes? Does this signal the death knell for political correctness?
Let's hope so. I noted on the 'wooden actors' thread the other day that someone made the comment about some actress being 'gorgeous even if she is underage'.
I was waiting to see if he got ripped to shreds but it looks as though he got away with it... and rightly so. Nobody fancies old women....
seafarer said:
But so do poor white neighborhoods. It's not that the wealthy are more moral, but less desperate and frustrated. Wealth begets its own opportunities, and poverty is hard to overcome.
>> Edited by seafarer on Thursday 14th April 12:21
So why do we import imigrants and cause more poverty? Whats the point? There is more to this whole asylum culture seen in the UK and US in the last few years. See the goings on of the minutemen on the US Mexico border and the US government trying stop what they are doing. The governments of both countrys are deliberately doing nothing about illegal immigration. The truth is they do not care. They have their own agenda and while 99% of the population are continuing to play the Labour / Conservative switching mugs game. Nothing significant will ever change under these two partys. The British are too brainwashed for anything to change in the near future. As long as they have their TV and cheap supply of fast food they will not give a
. The crunch will come when the law abiding masses can no longer afford to put food on the table or keep hold of their possesions. Out of chaos comes order. We just need to bring the chaos on quicker. There is no going back now as others have already said. It will all be a matter of survival of the fittest and i know who i have my money on. >> Edited by Hardcore2000 on Thursday 14th April 20:00
abels said:totaly agree i was going to start this thread last night.but it can be as you know a touchy subject racism but the fact is if you have watched crimewatch for the past 6 months a majority of crime is from black asian or eastern european criminals. this country is truely going to the dogs as far as immigrants mostly illegal and cime is concerned. if m Howard sticks with his promise to sort it out he gets my vote.
Did anyone watch it last night? Are there any British criminals left in the UK?
I was absolutely amazed, are no checks done anymore on people wishing to live in the UK? i.e Criminal records checks etc.
What the
Every day I am losing the will to ever return to the UK to live
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