46 in a 40 zone, NIP issued 16 days after offence
46 in a 40 zone, NIP issued 16 days after offence
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ethomas

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326 posts

260 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Received my first NIP today. The offence was doing 46 in the 40 zone on the M32 coming into Bristol on the 31st of October. Kind of annoying that they intend to prosecute for that, but fair enough.

The thing is, the Notice Issue Date is the 16th of November, and I received it by mail today (18th November). This is clearly outside the 14 day deadline.

Is there any way of finding out if I am the registered keeper (the car is leased to me by Alfa Romeo), and if the DVLA database is up to date (these both seem to be valid exemptions for late delivery)?

If they did indeed send the NIP out late, is it an automatic defence, or could the magistrate still side with the police?

Thanks,
Ed

pixelatedJH

225 posts

143 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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If you're the registered keeper, you will have the logbook posted to your address in your name.

ethomas

Original Poster:

326 posts

260 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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pixelatedJH said:
If you're the registered keeper, you will have the logbook posted to your address in your name.
In that case, lease company is the registered keeper. Looks like a fair cop. Bugger smile

James TiT

234 posts

116 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Do you pay the vehicle excise duty yourself?

ghost83

5,639 posts

220 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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I was also told it's 14 work days which obviously doesn't include weekends in that so your 14 days becomes 18 days so I'm told

I could be wrong though it could be just 14 days

Edited by ghost83 on Saturday 18th November 18:19

ethomas

Original Poster:

326 posts

260 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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James TiT said:
Do you pay the vehicle excise duty yourself?
No, paid by the leasing company.

wiliferus

4,219 posts

228 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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ghost83 said:
I was also told it's 14 work days which obviously doesn't include weekends in that so your 14 days becomes 18 days so I'm told

I could be wrong though it could be just 14 days

Edited by ghost83 on Saturday 18th November 18:19
You’ve been told wrong, it is just 14 days.

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Ignore the bot. The rule is 14 days, not 14 working days: section 1 Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

You will probably be offered a speed awareness course or a fixed penalty of £100 plus 3 points on your licence. Take yer pick!

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 18th November 18:34

bad company

21,919 posts

296 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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ethomas said:
In that case, lease company is the registered keeper. Looks like a fair cop. Bugger smile
Indeed. Looks like a fine and points or a speed awareness course - rather like detention at school. biggrin


pushthebutton

1,099 posts

212 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Ignore the bot. The rule is 14 days, not 14 working days: section 1 Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

You will probably be offered a speed awareness course or a fixed penalty of £100 plus 3 points on your licence. Take yer pick!

Edited by Breadvan72 on Saturday 18th November 18:34
If the event was the 31st October and the NIP was dated the 16th November, what relevance does the 14 days hold then?

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Gavia

7,627 posts

121 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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pushthebutton said:
If the event was the 31st October and the NIP was dated the 16th November, what relevance does the 14 days hold then?

Thanks
None. The original NIP, along with a S172 will have been sent to the lease company. They will have identified the driver as the OP. The 14 day period ends once the original NIP is sent to the registered keeper, after that there is no “get out of jail free” card to be played on that timeline.

ghost83

5,639 posts

220 months

Saturday 18th November 2017
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Never been called a boy before lol!

Sounds like I was told wrong with the 14 working days

agtlaw

7,409 posts

236 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
Ignore the bot. The rule is 14 days, not 14 working days: section 1 Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

You will probably be offered a speed awareness course or a fixed penalty of £100 plus 3 points on your licence. Take yer pick!
“The day of the offence is not counted in computing the 14 days. Thus, if an offence occurs on January 1, the notice should be posted so that it reaches the defendant’s address not later than last post on January 15.”

Wilkinson’s Road Traffic Offences at 2.214

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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ghost83 said:
Never been called a boy before lol!

Sounds like I was told wrong with the 14 working days
I was replying to a bot post since deleted. I typed bot, not boy. I would not be so rude as to refer to someone as boy.

James TiT

234 posts

116 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Breadvan72 said:
I was replying to a bot post since deleted. I typed bot, not boy. I would not be so rude as to refer to someone as boy.
Calling someone a bottom is worse than calling them a boy actually.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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Computer says no.

mickmcpaddy

1,445 posts

135 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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So they can manage to send a letter out to the leasing company, get a reply and then send out a 2nd letter to the OP within 18 days, how terribly efficient. Yet it takes 3 months or more if ever to go out to a burglary.

ging84

9,548 posts

176 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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mickmcpaddy said:
So they can manage to send a letter out to the leasing company, get a reply and then send out a 2nd letter to the OP within 18 days, how terribly efficient. Yet it takes 3 months or more if ever to go out to a burglary.
Criminals invading a family home is far less important than ensuring the random lottery of who will get a speeding ticket that millions of people enter every day is not influenced by external factors.

4rephill

5,168 posts

208 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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mickmcpaddy said:
So they can manage to send a letter out to the leasing company, get a reply and then send out a 2nd letter to the OP within 18 days, how terribly efficient. Yet it takes 3 months or more if ever to go out to a burglary.
So it's your belief that the Police traffic departments also investigate burglaries? confused

You should complain to the press! - I can see it now:




mickmcpaddy

1,445 posts

135 months

Sunday 19th November 2017
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4rephill said:
mickmcpaddy said:
So they can manage to send a letter out to the leasing company, get a reply and then send out a 2nd letter to the OP within 18 days, how terribly efficient. Yet it takes 3 months or more if ever to go out to a burglary.
So it's your belief that the Police traffic departments also investigate burglaries? confused

You should complain to the press! - I can see it now:



I'm saying if one department can be on the ball why can't the others, traffic department has many many more suspects to deal with.

Anyway who chases the bank robbers getaway car?