Any order dates for the new 2018 3 series yet?
Any order dates for the new 2018 3 series yet?
Author
Discussion

Jazzert501

Original Poster:

328 posts

121 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
quotequote all
I am keen to order a 330e Msport, but I don't want to order the current version.
Does anyone know when the new 2018 model will be out?
I have a time window of April to end of August 2018 to take delivery.
New "tax neutral" company car rules out in September so anyone ordering a hybrid can expect a major pounding by the taxman.

Wills2

29,844 posts

206 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
quotequote all
The f30 is rumoured EOP Oct 2018 so i guess you might see a G20 very late in 2018.


bad company

21,920 posts

297 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
quotequote all
Wills2 said:
The f30 is rumoured EOP Oct 2018 so i guess you might see a G20 very late in 2018.
I know this is a motoring forum and somebody will say I should know better but seriously - wtf is an f30?, EOP, and G20??????

Any chance of an English translation?

rassi

2,518 posts

282 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
quotequote all
bad company said:
Wills2 said:
The f30 is rumoured EOP Oct 2018 so i guess you might see a G20 very late in 2018.
I know this is a motoring forum and somebody will say I should know better but seriously - wtf is an f30?, EOP, and G20??????

Any chance of an English translation?
EOP: end of production
F30: current 3 series
G20: next gen 3 series

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

272 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
quotequote all
Will there be amazing deals on the outgoing 3er in the final months?

Given 1er going 4pots at best, and probably more fwd than red/awd, and 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.

Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.

Osinjak

5,453 posts

152 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
quotequote all
Mr Whippy said:
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Why are you bothering to try and buy one then?

MitchT

17,159 posts

240 months

Saturday 25th November 2017
quotequote all
Mr Whippy said:
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Subjective, I know, but I think the 4 Series is the best looking "3 Series" coupé since the E36, so the trend isn't necessarily downhill. What does concern me is that there'll be no straight-six when the current range is done, given where engines are heading these days.

Mike335i

6,088 posts

133 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
1 series is going FWD / AWD and 3/4 pot engines, but the 3 is sticking to RWD / AWD and it looks like the M340i will still be a 6 pot. I can't see the 335d going 4 pot yet either.

My guess is that the M3 and M4 will be AWD and have still have a twin turbo 6 through the ZF8.

If it is anything like the 5 series, the next 3 will really up the luxury and refinement, but also isolate the driver from any notion of fun.

bad company

21,920 posts

297 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
rassi said:
bad company said:
Wills2 said:
The f30 is rumoured EOP Oct 2018 so i guess you might see a G20 very late in 2018.
I know this is a motoring forum and somebody will say I should know better but seriously - wtf is an f30?, EOP, and G20??????

Any chance of an English translation?
EOP: end of production
F30: current 3 series
G20: next gen 3 series
Thank you. thumbup

Life and cars used to be so much simpler.

anonymous-user

85 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
Mr Whippy said:
... 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.

Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Said folk before the E36, before the E46, before the E90, before the F30, before the G20...

Hint; the F30 is a gazillion times better as a transport device than an E30 was, without it costing comparatively much different.

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

272 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
Osinjak said:
Mr Whippy said:
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Why are you bothering to try and buy one then?
Last one worth having a decent spec example of.

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

272 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
janesmith1950 said:
Mr Whippy said:
... 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.

Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Said folk before the E36, before the E46, before the E90, before the F30, before the G20...

Hint; the F30 is a gazillion times better as a transport device than an E30 was, without it costing comparatively much different.
People talking about best looking and a 'transport device'

I thought BMW was all about being the ultimate driving machine?

Isn't there a place for at least steering feel, a quality throttle response, and 'nice' nvh and a nice ride, alongside these other properties?

It's those things which seem to be increasingly abandoned.

Wills2

29,844 posts

206 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
bad company said:
Thank you. thumbup

Life and cars used to be so much simpler.
And yet you manage to describe your 540i as a G30 in your profile,


Hmmmm....



Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

272 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
Mr Whippy said:
janesmith1950 said:
Mr Whippy said:
... 3er going even more numb luxo barge, I've got a feeling a current f3x will be the last BMW I'll want to buy.

Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Said folk before the E36, before the E46, before the E90, before the F30, before the G20...

Hint; the F30 is a gazillion times better as a transport device than an E30 was, without it costing comparatively much different.
People talking about best looking and a 'transport device'

I thought BMW was all about being the ultimate driving machine?

Isn't there a place for at least steering feel, a quality throttle response, and 'nice' nvh and a nice ride, alongside these other properties?

It's those things which seem to be increasingly abandoned.
Just to add, there was a time a cooking 3er was pretty special, and BMW even made great cooking models.

The M models were always more special but you shouldn't have to buy an M just to get a good throttle and steering etc.

The F30 wasn't hugely rated when it arrived. It took the LCI to improve steering which I'd argue is only just 'ok'... was it that poor before?


The G20 is yet to arrive, but I wouldn't be rushing to buy one until people who can get quality test drives report back.

Ie, a decent weekend with the car to check it out on familiar roads.

anonymous-user

85 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
Cooking model pretty special? I remember tooling about in a 318 E36 when they were new. Yes, it was better than the Vectras and the like, but it was also nothing amazing to drive. The latest F30 is better in pretty much every regard, other than steering feel. If I'm worried about steering feel in a 120bhp posh shopping trolly, it's me who's lost the plot, not BMW.

All cars have become larger, heavier, incredibly more efficient, safer and much better equipped over the past 20 years. Even an Elise.

Yea, I love cars from 30 years ago. I love the basicality, the raucousness, the crap NVH and the mechanical feel. Those things, in the main, were the symptoms of the product not being as good as they now can be.

Progress is about compromise and priorities. Would I throw my family in a 1990s Cosworth rather than a 2017 M3, because I prefer my fun a bit rough around the edges? Nope. Would I buy a Cosworth to take on track days, to get that 'feel'? Nope.

The idea that you would bemoan a 1.5 ton diesel posh repmobile for not being as flawed as its predecessors at its primary purpose (road driving carrying passengers and loads) seems a bit misguided, if you ask me.

Now, if you wanted to bh on about how a boggo standard Elise is now a bloater with a lot of its original charm systematically removed, I'm all ears!!

Mike335i

6,088 posts

133 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
janesmith1950 said:
... Cooking model pretty special? I remember tooling about in a 318 E36 when they were new. Yes, it was better than the Vectras and the like, but it was also nothing amazing to drive. The latest F30 is better in pretty much every regard, other than steering feel. If I'm worried about steering feel in a 120bhp posh shopping trolly, it's me who's lost the plot, not BMW...
I think you may have lost the plot a little there. The point of a BMW should be the better drive than it's competitors, so yeah, steering should be good on a 316i all the way up the M3. Why should a basic one be naff to drive, the whole range should be 'a good steer'. Otherwise just buy the Mondeo / Insignia / Passat etc.

anonymous-user

85 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
Mike335i said:
I think you may have lost the plot a little there. The point of a BMW should be the better drive than it's competitors, so yeah, steering should be good on a 316i all the way up the M3. Why should a basic one be naff to drive, the whole range should be 'a good steer'. Otherwise just buy the Mondeo / Insignia / Passat etc.
Um, the comparison being made was between the ages of 3. The 3er is still a better drive than its peers.

Osinjak

5,453 posts

152 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
Mr Whippy said:
Osinjak said:
Mr Whippy said:
Unless BMW do something stunning with the new 3er, but odds are it'll be blander than ever.
Why are you bothering to try and buy one then?
Last one worth having a decent spec example of.
I have no idea what that actually means. You're scratching around for a 335d and yet your posts suggest they're duller than ditchwater? Bizarre.

bad company

21,920 posts

297 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
Wills2 said:
bad company said:
Thank you. thumbup

Life and cars used to be so much simpler.
And yet you manage to describe your 540i as a G30 in your profile,


Hmmmm....
I knew the ‘G’ of my current car because of researching it before buying. Before that I had a 335d and a 640d. I’ve no idea what their G numbers are but they were both red. wink

Mike335i

6,088 posts

133 months

Sunday 26th November 2017
quotequote all
janesmith1950 said:
Um, the comparison being made was between the ages of 3. The 3er is still a better drive than its peers.
It was this bit I was mainly referring to:
janesmith1950 said:
... If I'm worried about steering feel in a 120bhp posh shopping trolly, it's me who's lost the plot, not BMW...
Regardless of the power, I am saying they should be good to drive.