Mind blown - real reason behind modern mickey mouse circuits
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If you've ever wondered why we can't have circuits with fast sweeping corners any more and why F1 loves long straights combined with slow corners/chicanes a youtube comment left under a video showing a lap of old superfast Silverstone might have an answer.
Here's the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-tDO_LdUGs
youtube comment said:
New Silverstone has lost its aura, its soul, everything that made it great. This is an emence track and Bernie and Tilke have a lot to answer for. They like long straights and slooooow corners because its easier to zoom in on the sponsors.
Obviously, Tilke didn't do the redesign but still, it could make sense. I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on.Here's the vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-tDO_LdUGs
The trouble with a lot of the old circuits is that they are great for drivers - not great for racing.
Long straights and big stops give a chance for overtaking them.
On tracks like old silverstone you may only get 10 overtakes a year. The decision on whether that is a good thing rests on which camp you are in
They were great, but there was only ten v there was only ten, but they were great
Long straights and big stops give a chance for overtaking them.
On tracks like old silverstone you may only get 10 overtakes a year. The decision on whether that is a good thing rests on which camp you are in
They were great, but there was only ten v there was only ten, but they were great
I remember Silverstone when it was like that. I loved the old school power circuits for their sheer speed and white knuckle curves, though I also admit that they weren't the best for racing as the cars would naturally arrange themselves by power in qualifying and then inevitably spread out as the race progressed. It wasn't unusual to see the lead car lap the whole field except for their own team mate.
Vaud said:
COTA was a Tilke track? They weren’t all bad.
Most of Tilke's tracks are like they were made from Scalextric pieces - identikit straights and corners - though, as you say, COTA is a good one and the Turkish circuit was great. Shame that disappeared off the calendar so quickly.Vaud said:
MitchT said:
Most of Tilke's tracks are like they were made from Scalextric pieces - identikit straights and corners - though, as you say, COTA is a good one and the Turkish circuit was great. Shame that disappeared off the calendar so quickly.
Good point on Turkey.But what a turn...
Blackpuddin said:
I'm amazed that no bright spark in the new 'let's get ready to rumble' F1 management team has yet come up with the idea of dynamic advertising on the cars via flexible screens on the sides, rear spoilers and nosecones.
The Liberty Pay Per View will be able to target advertising more effectively as they will have profile data on the user.Cars are about brand positioning, not advertising of a product; a subtle difference.
MitchT said:
Vaud said:
COTA was a Tilke track? They weren’t all bad.
Most of Tilke's tracks are like they were made from Scalextric pieces - identikit straights and corners - though, as you say, COTA is a good one and the Turkish circuit was great. Shame that disappeared off the calendar so quickly.Aren't most good tracks more a function of elevation changes rather than the road layout (if you see what I mean)?
Almost all the good circuits that generally throw up good races are ones that have plenty of elevation changes and/or odd cambered corners (or generally unpredictable weather)?
Are there 'good' circuits that are flat? Most of the Tilke dromes seem to have been built flat as a pancake, and the ones that aren't are quite good.
I'm probably talking nonsense!
Almost all the good circuits that generally throw up good races are ones that have plenty of elevation changes and/or odd cambered corners (or generally unpredictable weather)?
Are there 'good' circuits that are flat? Most of the Tilke dromes seem to have been built flat as a pancake, and the ones that aren't are quite good.
I'm probably talking nonsense!
London424 said:
Aren't most good tracks more a function of elevation changes rather than the road layout (if you see what I mean)?
Almost all the good circuits that generally throw up good races are ones that have plenty of elevation changes and/or odd cambered corners (or generally unpredictable weather)?
Are there 'good' circuits that are flat? Most of the Tilke dromes seem to have been built flat as a pancake, and the ones that aren't are quite good.
I'm probably talking nonsense!
COTA was flat land before it was built. It has a man-made rise to turn 1, and has about 100ft of elevation change in total, created with excavators and the like.Almost all the good circuits that generally throw up good races are ones that have plenty of elevation changes and/or odd cambered corners (or generally unpredictable weather)?
Are there 'good' circuits that are flat? Most of the Tilke dromes seem to have been built flat as a pancake, and the ones that aren't are quite good.
I'm probably talking nonsense!
Silverstone is pretty flat.
Blackpuddin said:
I'm amazed that no bright spark in the new 'let's get ready to rumble' F1 management team has yet come up with the idea of dynamic advertising on the cars via flexible screens on the sides, rear spoilers and nosecones.
Bernie was investigating overlaid/inserted graphics & adverts back in 1994.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff