So.. a diesel or not
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Wife needs a newish caf for her work commute. Very glad to say we no longer need Smax 7 seater type of bus as kids are bigger so no monster baby seats to cope with. As a tester I hired a 118d BMW which she's loving.
If we look at 1.6 / 2.0 diesels will we soon live to regret it? I hear the Govt is rumoured to puich diesel owners some point soon. Looking online tax is £140 for the 118d (2 litre) which is fine. So what's the negative prediction going to be?
If we look at 1.6 / 2.0 diesels will we soon live to regret it? I hear the Govt is rumoured to puich diesel owners some point soon. Looking online tax is £140 for the 118d (2 litre) which is fine. So what's the negative prediction going to be?
Will you need to drive it into city centres in the next few years?
The speculation is that Diesel owners will have to pay punitive 'pollution charges' to enter urban areas, as well as any possible VED changes in the budget.
This has already happened to me in DE, I work regularly in Stuttgart and any Diesel with an emission rating below Euro VI is simply not allowed in when they have the particle alert (Feinstaubalarm). It makes no odds to me anyway as my digs are outside the centre and I cycle in, but it obviously effects others.
The speculation is that Diesel owners will have to pay punitive 'pollution charges' to enter urban areas, as well as any possible VED changes in the budget.
This has already happened to me in DE, I work regularly in Stuttgart and any Diesel with an emission rating below Euro VI is simply not allowed in when they have the particle alert (Feinstaubalarm). It makes no odds to me anyway as my digs are outside the centre and I cycle in, but it obviously effects others.
let me just stir the pot by saying, how many miles a day does she commute ?
Because if its less than about 130/140 per day, the current electric Nissan Leaf would give her a much higher spec and slightly bigger car, it'll be far cheaper to run/service than any comparable diesel.
£16 a mth on electric is £85 of diesel at 50 mpg and £15 road tax. yr £88 up a month on that difference alone. That goes a long way into offsetting against a loan/PCP/lease whatever.
the only reason I say 130/140 miles, is she can charge on the driveway each night. Beyond that, yr into public/work charging with could be a massive issue.
the car is no looker though, but having said that, the BMW is as pig ugly too.
the next gen leaf, due out shortly, will be about 220/240 miles per charge. and its a lot better looking.
Its an interesting thread though- I could do with replacing my 2.0D car- but what on earth with next ?
Because if its less than about 130/140 per day, the current electric Nissan Leaf would give her a much higher spec and slightly bigger car, it'll be far cheaper to run/service than any comparable diesel.
£16 a mth on electric is £85 of diesel at 50 mpg and £15 road tax. yr £88 up a month on that difference alone. That goes a long way into offsetting against a loan/PCP/lease whatever.
the only reason I say 130/140 miles, is she can charge on the driveway each night. Beyond that, yr into public/work charging with could be a massive issue.
the car is no looker though, but having said that, the BMW is as pig ugly too.
the next gen leaf, due out shortly, will be about 220/240 miles per charge. and its a lot better looking.
Its an interesting thread though- I could do with replacing my 2.0D car- but what on earth with next ?
Barchettaman said:
Will you need to drive it into city centres in the next few years?
The speculation is that Diesel owners will have to pay punitive 'pollution charges' to enter urban areas, as well as any possible VED changes in the budget.
This has already happened to me in DE, I work regularly in Stuttgart and any Diesel with an emission rating below Euro VI is simply not allowed in when they have the particle alert (Feinstaubalarm). It makes no odds to me anyway as my digs are outside the centre and I cycle in, but it obviously effects others.
She works in Basingstoke but not in the centre - uses M4 + the ring road. Good point though The speculation is that Diesel owners will have to pay punitive 'pollution charges' to enter urban areas, as well as any possible VED changes in the budget.
This has already happened to me in DE, I work regularly in Stuttgart and any Diesel with an emission rating below Euro VI is simply not allowed in when they have the particle alert (Feinstaubalarm). It makes no odds to me anyway as my digs are outside the centre and I cycle in, but it obviously effects others.
I'm put off by diesels due to the amount of kit fitted to reduce the emissions and to pass Eu6. Hi/low pressure EGR valves, coolers, DPF's, SCR/UREA injection etc.
A guy at work has a 14 plate 2.0D BMW X3 (Eu4 or 5?) and drives 20 miles to work a day in it. 10 miles is dual carriageway.
He's just had to get Terraclean to clean all the intake that is clogged up with EGR crud. The car runs better, but he reckons a couple of injectors are now faulty.
I'm due to replace my car soon, but am tempted to stick with petrols as the resales are better. Shame as I find most diesels are nicer to drive.
A guy at work has a 14 plate 2.0D BMW X3 (Eu4 or 5?) and drives 20 miles to work a day in it. 10 miles is dual carriageway.
He's just had to get Terraclean to clean all the intake that is clogged up with EGR crud. The car runs better, but he reckons a couple of injectors are now faulty.
I'm due to replace my car soon, but am tempted to stick with petrols as the resales are better. Shame as I find most diesels are nicer to drive.
austinsmirk said:
let me just stir the pot by saying, how many miles a day does she commute ?
Because if its less than about 130/140 per day, the current electric Nissan Leaf would give her a much higher spec and slightly bigger car, it'll be far cheaper to run/service than any comparable diesel.
£16 a mth on electric is £85 of diesel at 50 mpg and £15 road tax. yr £88 up a month on that difference alone. That goes a long way into offsetting against a loan/PCP/lease whatever.
the only reason I say 130/140 miles, is she can charge on the driveway each night. Beyond that, yr into public/work charging with could be a massive issue.
the car is no looker though, but having said that, the BMW is as pig ugly too.
the next gen leaf, due out shortly, will be about 220/240 miles per charge. and its a lot better looking.
Its an interesting thread though- I could do with replacing my 2.0D car- but what on earth with next ?
I have the latest Leaf and you'll be lucky to do 100+ miles on one charge unless you are taking it very easy.Because if its less than about 130/140 per day, the current electric Nissan Leaf would give her a much higher spec and slightly bigger car, it'll be far cheaper to run/service than any comparable diesel.
£16 a mth on electric is £85 of diesel at 50 mpg and £15 road tax. yr £88 up a month on that difference alone. That goes a long way into offsetting against a loan/PCP/lease whatever.
the only reason I say 130/140 miles, is she can charge on the driveway each night. Beyond that, yr into public/work charging with could be a massive issue.
the car is no looker though, but having said that, the BMW is as pig ugly too.
the next gen leaf, due out shortly, will be about 220/240 miles per charge. and its a lot better looking.
Its an interesting thread though- I could do with replacing my 2.0D car- but what on earth with next ?
I average 40 mph on my commute (60 miles each way) and with the cold weather range is showing 34 ish when I arrive at work.
However 45 miles of that is on either D/C or A roads so typical speed is 55-70 mph.
New one out next year that will be a step up in range.
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