Any tv repair experts in t'house
Any tv repair experts in t'house
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dern

Original Poster:

14,055 posts

308 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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I have a panasonic 28" widescreen tx-w28r4dp which when turned on thinks for a second or two and then switches itself off into standby mode... any advice along the lines of "ah, that'll be the kerchiga and all you need to do is..."?

It'll do the kids good not to have scooby doo on tap but if I don't get motogp I'm as grumpy as buggery.

Regards,

Mark

ofcorsa

3,546 posts

272 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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although i cant help i know my Hitachi 28 widescreen does exactly the same thing, as far as i know its a self destruct thing as it happened just out of warrenty

wedg1e

27,034 posts

294 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Probably LOPT.

dern

Original Poster:

14,055 posts

308 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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ofcorsa said:
although i cant help i know my Hitachi 28 widescreen does exactly the same thing, as far as i know its a self destruct thing as it happened just out of warrenty
Ditto... 4 months out of a 5 year warrenty... d'oh.

steviebee

15,286 posts

284 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Had a similar problem on an old(ish) Furgerson.

If you take the back off, somewhere near the power input you should find a small fuse (it may be in a covered box). It looks like a normal household fuse but it isn't. You'll need to go to Maplins or a TV repair shop to get a replacement.

Get a few because if it is that, then it will go again. Something to do with static build up!

Of course it may not be that but it sounds very similar!

BliarOut

72,863 posts

268 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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I've got a 33" Ferguson that does something similar....

And the red light on the front flashes twice, then seven times (error 27 I believe) Any ideas on this problem, it's far too good to junk, but just sits here not working

deltafox

3,839 posts

261 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Triggertron?

SotonS2

14,709 posts

267 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Agree with wedg1e, sounds like the Line Out Transformer has fritzed.

Zad

13,005 posts

265 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Line output transistor rather than transformer. Possibly taken the recovery diode out too. Nothing you can do about it though, get a telly repair bloke out for a look.

Mike

steviebee

15,286 posts

284 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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SotonS2 said:
fritzed.


Is that another term for "F ailed U nder C ontinuous T esting"?

SotonS2

14,709 posts

267 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Zad said:
Line output transistor rather than transformer. Possibly taken the recovery diode out too. Nothing you can do about it though, get a telly repair bloke out for a look.

Mike



Line output transformer = LOPT or flyback transformer. The bit that turns mains voltage into the nasty 20kV-30kV that exists within TV sets to power the CRT.

rfisher

5,063 posts

312 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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While we're on tellies. I've got a Samsung which is about 8 years old. When it is switched on from standby the picture is pink. After 5 mins it goes blue. 5 mins later it's fine.

Reckon it's the SN4517 myself (not).

scared but happy

24,147 posts

258 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Switch Mode Power Supply?
Nasty things that hurt like hell, work in a closed loop and a pain to work out what is going on.

wedg1e

27,034 posts

294 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Most boggleboxes or monitors that I've seen in recent times, when the line o/p transformer goes, it takes the driver transistor with it anyway.
Bloody designers these days use components that are only just capable of doing the job, unlike way back then, when it was easy to over-rate as there wasn't such a wide choice of parts or ability to get new spec. parts made.
I just binned a mint Dell(?) 19" monitor that was Philips-based: one particular IC kept going thermal on me and it was never released for aftermarket. It seems Philips realised they'd arsed-up and did an IC redesign, the new IC isn't compatible . Lovely picture, shame to bin it really.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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steviebee said:

SotonS2 said:
fritzed.



Is that another term for "F ailed U nder C ontinuous T esting"?


...I do not zink so........

dern

Original Poster:

14,055 posts

308 months

Friday 15th April 2005
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Ok, cheers guys... I guess it's new tv time. I could get a guy to repair it but it's only a 28" widescreen and it wouldn't make financial sense I guess.

Mark

Pigeon

18,535 posts

275 months

Saturday 16th April 2005
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wedg1e said:
Most boggleboxes or monitors that I've seen in recent times, when the line o/p transformer goes, it takes the driver transistor with it anyway.
Bloody designers these days use components that are only just capable of doing the job, unlike way back then, when it was easy to over-rate as there wasn't such a wide choice of parts or ability to get new spec. parts made.

Shitty soldering and failure to allow for thermal stresses has a lot to answer for as well.

I remember repairing a lot of Samsung ("Korean for disposable") CQA4147 monitors, or possibly firestarters. The main fault was that the E-W modulation transistor was too rigidly mounted on its heatsink, and after a while thermal expansion in its legs cracked the solder off the PCB pads and created an intermittent connection. If the user stopped using it as soon as the picture went wonky, it might be OK. But if not, it could take out the line output transistor, which took out the rectifier diode in that section of the PSU, which removed the feedback to the voltage regulation, so the PSU then wound itself up full pelt and overvolted the entire circuit board, which gained big black charring marks along all the power rails.

towman

14,938 posts

268 months

Saturday 16th April 2005
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Pigeon said:

I remember repairing a lot of Samsung ("Korean for disposable") CQA4147 monitors, or possibly firestarters. The main fault was that the E-W modulation transistor was too rigidly mounted on its heatsink, and after a while thermal expansion in its legs cracked the solder off the PCB pads and created an intermittent connection. If the user stopped using it as soon as the picture went wonky, it might be OK. But if not, it could take out the line output transistor, which took out the rectifier diode in that section of the PSU, which removed the feedback to the voltage regulation, so the PSU then wound itself up full pelt and overvolted the entire circuit board, which gained big black charring marks along all the power rails.


Couldn`t agree more. Or would if I understood a far king word.

8Pack

5,182 posts

269 months

Saturday 16th April 2005
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Do they still publish the "stock faults" for each model like they did: "when I were a lad" with component mods to cure it?

There were the "trade" publications and then the Red hard backed year books, Er, "Radio and TV Servicing - 1975" etc (I think), that you could find in the Ref. Library.

Are they still Published?........Anyone?

Albeit, I know that IC's have really taken over and "discrete" components are now:.........few. (In other words, there's not much inside folks), just change the offending "board".

>> Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 16th April 05:20

Pigeon

18,535 posts

275 months

Monday 18th April 2005
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"Television" magazine does that... ICs or not, there are still plenty of discrete components to incorrectly specify and plenty of soldered joints to solder badly.