D4 or Disco Sport?
Discussion
Hi All,
This might be a simple one for those of you who have spent more time around the brand but what is the consensus at the moment? I can't make a decision on whether the extra running costs for the 4 would be worth it over the sport.
Is the Disco sport now a sorted product or should I hedge my bets on a disco 4?
This might be a simple one for those of you who have spent more time around the brand but what is the consensus at the moment? I can't make a decision on whether the extra running costs for the 4 would be worth it over the sport.
Is the Disco sport now a sorted product or should I hedge my bets on a disco 4?
I've borrowed a D4 and I've had a DS for about a year. I don't think they are really comparable. The D4 is a large capacity go-anywhere 4x4 with a good 7 seats when needed. It's vey comfy. Being that large it can be a problem in some carparks. It has a reputation for being complex so I'd expect running costs will reflect this.
The DS is a mid sized 4X4, less space than a D4, with a 7 occasional seat option. When used, there's really no load area. Wife and I feel it is comfy, not quite as good as the D4, but not really an issue. We've done several long journeys, no issues. It is reputed to be very capable off road. Again, parking can be an issue: I've returned to find I cannot get in through the driver's door twice so far due to others parking so close. I do not think it's as complex as the D4. So far, I've had no issues with mine, other that the electrics being a bit temperamental, usually recovered by switching off the ignition and waiting say 10 seconds ie a reboot.
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The DS is a mid sized 4X4, less space than a D4, with a 7 occasional seat option. When used, there's really no load area. Wife and I feel it is comfy, not quite as good as the D4, but not really an issue. We've done several long journeys, no issues. It is reputed to be very capable off road. Again, parking can be an issue: I've returned to find I cannot get in through the driver's door twice so far due to others parking so close. I do not think it's as complex as the D4. So far, I've had no issues with mine, other that the electrics being a bit temperamental, usually recovered by switching off the ignition and waiting say 10 seconds ie a reboot.
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It is small niggles like those electrics that concern me, I wouldn't expect it of a modern car and I do occasionally do some long slog mileage, I would always worry the car would play up and strand me when I'm hundreds of miles from home.
When referring to a D4 as complex, is that with reference to the electronics or the air suspension etc?
When referring to a D4 as complex, is that with reference to the electronics or the air suspension etc?
somouk said:
It is small niggles like those electrics that concern me, I wouldn't expect it of a modern car and I do occasionally do some long slog mileage, I would always worry the car would play up and strand me when I'm hundreds of miles from home.
When referring to a D4 as complex, is that with reference to the electronics or the air suspension etc?
There is nothing simple about a D4 but it’s rewards are it’s just a fantastic comfortable tourer,and it does everything you want it to do, but better then anything else. When buying you need a warranty which main dealer approved will give you two years, then budget 1 k a year after thatWhen referring to a D4 as complex, is that with reference to the electronics or the air suspension etc?
Bear in mind the DS was effectively the Freelander replacement, so they're not comparable cars really. Personally I'd go D4 all day long. I didn't like the DS when it came out because to me it really did look like a cheap downmarket version of the universal JLR jellymould but it's grown on me (not least because some of the others are so utterly gopping).
For context, I have a FFRR, an RRC and a Defender, so I'm very much not manufacturer-averse!
For context, I have a FFRR, an RRC and a Defender, so I'm very much not manufacturer-averse!
Just to clarify my comment above about DS electrics. The issues are intermittent, seemingly easily fixed by a "reboot" and don't affect driving capability....so far! They usually relate to the loss of the camera capability, and occasionally I get a warning about ABS inoperable, but the reboot always fixes this.
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I have a DS SE Tech for my company car.
So far I have covered 34k miles since May.
The car has been very good.
Averages around 36mpg
Good boot size (I have yet to put up the 3rd row of seats)
Reclining sliding rear seats give good options for kids.
Only niggle is guff Sat Nav so use my phone instead.
So far I have covered 34k miles since May.
The car has been very good.
Averages around 36mpg
Good boot size (I have yet to put up the 3rd row of seats)
Reclining sliding rear seats give good options for kids.
Only niggle is guff Sat Nav so use my phone instead.
hilly10 said:
If you want a premium product of the Brand then go D4. Now if MPG is an issue and you do not need the space or seven seats then go Sport buy something else.
D4 all day. Stunningly capable, endlessly comfortable, 32mpg (which isn't too shabby) but as mentioned a bit of a chore to park in multistory/supermarket car parks. Edited by hilly10 on Monday 11th December 20:09
90k on my 2015 without a glitch. My 2012 however developed an appetite for park brake control modules at £1,000 each.
somouk said:
That's all great information thanks.
I think it would have to be a D4 with the warranty by the sounds of things, if I can get 30MPG out of one that that would be a bonus!
Achievable on a run, but not around town. Best I have had is 37mpg, but that was motorway doing 60mph following my Dad towing his caravan all the way - they have the aerodynamic qualities of a garden shed, slipstreaming I think it would have to be a D4 with the warranty by the sounds of things, if I can get 30MPG out of one that that would be a bonus!
D4 is a great car, so versatile - off roading and muddy in the morning, taking kids to their prom in the in the evening (after a jet wash).
Agree with most here.
As a snow going wet grass crossing 4wd then the disco sport (freelander) will do the job. It’s comfy too with plenty of nice toys.
Tow a big trailer or do anything serious off road then D4 wins hands down. It makes a good van and a people carrier and is respectable looking without appearing too flash.
I have had 28 Land Rovers, mostly disco and Range Rovers. Without doubt my D4 has been the nicest tourer and significantly more reliable than all the others. I can’t believe how much better it performs than the two D3’s I had. It’s much more refined. One word of advice is don’t skimp on the service schedules and make sure it’s on decent tyres.
The service costs are eye watering around 100k miles but if you keep it for a long time then it levels out. Many sell cheaper on high miles for that reason.
Happy hunting for a good one.
As a snow going wet grass crossing 4wd then the disco sport (freelander) will do the job. It’s comfy too with plenty of nice toys.
Tow a big trailer or do anything serious off road then D4 wins hands down. It makes a good van and a people carrier and is respectable looking without appearing too flash.
I have had 28 Land Rovers, mostly disco and Range Rovers. Without doubt my D4 has been the nicest tourer and significantly more reliable than all the others. I can’t believe how much better it performs than the two D3’s I had. It’s much more refined. One word of advice is don’t skimp on the service schedules and make sure it’s on decent tyres.
The service costs are eye watering around 100k miles but if you keep it for a long time then it levels out. Many sell cheaper on high miles for that reason.
Happy hunting for a good one.
They are 2 totally different cars for different markets.
DS as has been said is basically a Freelander 3. Driven a couple and they are quite nice, ride was good, i found them nice enough inside and it drove well with decent grunt from the engine. Not huge but it's decent for it's market sector.
D4 is a great car, true 7 seater, van, off roader and luxury car.
They do have some weak points, suspension issues similar to the D3, but the 3.0 can crack the manifolds, or just snap the crankshaft.
No real reason why, other than it does.
They are an auto so get the gearbox serviced. 6 speed is lever control and should have a service every 50-75k, 8 speed is dial gear selector and is 30-50k. ZF recommendations for mileage oil changes. Oil is cheaper than a new box.
My mate has a D4 with the 8 speed and an Alive remap. I went against it with my D3 with a BAS remap, RS500 intercooler and egr blanked.
I do have an aerodynamic handicap due to roof rack, snorkel etc on mine. On the rolling drag race, he bet me by a good 15-20mph on the uphill section from our roundabout to the finish line marker, i rung the guts out of mine as well...
DS as has been said is basically a Freelander 3. Driven a couple and they are quite nice, ride was good, i found them nice enough inside and it drove well with decent grunt from the engine. Not huge but it's decent for it's market sector.
D4 is a great car, true 7 seater, van, off roader and luxury car.
They do have some weak points, suspension issues similar to the D3, but the 3.0 can crack the manifolds, or just snap the crankshaft.
No real reason why, other than it does.
They are an auto so get the gearbox serviced. 6 speed is lever control and should have a service every 50-75k, 8 speed is dial gear selector and is 30-50k. ZF recommendations for mileage oil changes. Oil is cheaper than a new box.
My mate has a D4 with the 8 speed and an Alive remap. I went against it with my D3 with a BAS remap, RS500 intercooler and egr blanked.
I do have an aerodynamic handicap due to roof rack, snorkel etc on mine. On the rolling drag race, he bet me by a good 15-20mph on the uphill section from our roundabout to the finish line marker, i rung the guts out of mine as well...
Our 62 D4 HSE is literally loved by the family. Ours has been brilliant - not noticeable more costly to run than any other premium car (e.g. merc or BMW). In 60kish miles niggles have been a faulty cold weather pre-heater (warranty), a hose that went but car could still be driven (130 quid) and rusting locking wheel nuts (warranty).
Other than that its been great. Just replied the pads for the first time, discs are original. Tyre wear is even respectable although I do run two sets of wheel (winters). To my eye it is ageing very well and I just don't have any lust for the D5. Actually thinking the new defender will probably be closer to the intent of the D4 than the D5 is.
It is big but both my wife and I find it easier to place than our 5 series touring, just because you know where the corners are given it's honest 'boxiness'.
Best all round car you can buy in my opinion.
Other than that its been great. Just replied the pads for the first time, discs are original. Tyre wear is even respectable although I do run two sets of wheel (winters). To my eye it is ageing very well and I just don't have any lust for the D5. Actually thinking the new defender will probably be closer to the intent of the D4 than the D5 is.
It is big but both my wife and I find it easier to place than our 5 series touring, just because you know where the corners are given it's honest 'boxiness'.
Best all round car you can buy in my opinion.
That’s the other D3/4 strong point.
They ARE a very capable off roader, 70cm wading depth, twin door seals to keep water out, an electric diff lock that on a D4 will lock in 1/3rds at a time. The terrain response system is very good.
You do have to drive them different from a defender, it’s not a case of low 2nd and floor it.
You need steady smooth throttle inputs to work with, rather than against the car.
A decent set of all terrains turns it into a very good all rounder.
I’ve walked up slopes in my D3 that my 90 driving mates have struggled with.
It also doesn’t get cross axelled like a defender without TC does...
It’s size and weight can limit it, I’ve found that to be the biggest factor with mine.
They ARE a very capable off roader, 70cm wading depth, twin door seals to keep water out, an electric diff lock that on a D4 will lock in 1/3rds at a time. The terrain response system is very good.
You do have to drive them different from a defender, it’s not a case of low 2nd and floor it.
You need steady smooth throttle inputs to work with, rather than against the car.
A decent set of all terrains turns it into a very good all rounder.
I’ve walked up slopes in my D3 that my 90 driving mates have struggled with.
It also doesn’t get cross axelled like a defender without TC does...
It’s size and weight can limit it, I’ve found that to be the biggest factor with mine.
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