The future's slow, the future's EUgh
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Today's Telegraph said:
Few issues have become more contentious than speed cameras and congestion charges. Even Labour's manifesto admits they will consider a new system for charging road-users. What no party explains is that
Brussels now plans to take control of all "road use policy" across the EU, through its proposed Road Safety Agency, including speed limits.
Furthermore, among the declared intentions of its Galileo satellite system is a plan for electronic charging for road use of EU roads, including congestion charges; and satellite-controlled automatic "speed limiters", making it impossible for drivers to break the limit even if they want to.
So the countdown has started, and Big Brother Pierre will be taking control of your car's speed on every journey from some time around 2015, technical hitches allowing. Good job we'll all be so much safer and happier then
Some of the likely mechanisms and partner(s) in crime are discussed here
turbobloke said:
Few issues have become more contentious than speed cameras and congestion charges. Even Labour's manifesto admits they will consider a new system for charging road-users. What no party explains is that
Brussels now plans to take control of all "road use policy" across the EU, through its proposed Road Safety Agency, including speed limits.
Furthermore, among the declared intentions of its Galileo satellite system is a plan for electronic charging for road use of EU roads, including congestion charges; and satellite-controlled automatic "speed limiters", making it impossible for drivers to break the limit even if they want to.
So the countdown has started, and Big Brother Pierre will be taking control of your car's speed on every journey from some time around 2015, technical hitches allowing. Good job we'll all be so much safer and happier then
Some of the likely mechanisms and partner(s) in crime are discussed here
I would very much like to vote UKIP and tell Brussels to get stuffed, but I expect this would damage Conservative prospects.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Flat in Fifth said:
People in politics.....
Dead from neck up......
Wildy, I heard a good one today.
some unknown sensible person said:
Q: Do you know why politicians have to get on their hind legs in order to speak in Parliament?
A: Because their voices go all muffled when they sit down.
docevi1 said:
and cars which don't have a 12v electic supply, or ones which don't have any electronic ignition at all?
Yay for old cars
Didnt you hear that they were planning to put severe restrictions on cars over 15 years old? In 2015, the only cars without ECUs will have to submit paperwork before they can be driven anywhere.
Good thing is, they are planning on using a system that cant think in the presence of a tinfoil beanie hat over the GPS antenna, and using computers that can be reprogrammed.
AS I understand the system they are planning here in Dubai will not control the car but will send speed updates to central system to trigger automatic fines.
Has a voice recognition system on startup as well.
While you could doubtless fool it for short periods that will soon become an offence.
I really think we are heading for a autopilot situation where especially motorways are controlled automatically and cars simply join the road and switch to autopilot,if you need to increase density of road use it is unfortunately really the only economical way.
As for the technology, you have been trusting your flight to Mallorca to autopilots for years and that is a sight more complicated, there are several sets of companies out there all keen for a bit of a very big pie and busy developing.
Has a voice recognition system on startup as well.
While you could doubtless fool it for short periods that will soon become an offence.
I really think we are heading for a autopilot situation where especially motorways are controlled automatically and cars simply join the road and switch to autopilot,if you need to increase density of road use it is unfortunately really the only economical way.
As for the technology, you have been trusting your flight to Mallorca to autopilots for years and that is a sight more complicated, there are several sets of companies out there all keen for a bit of a very big pie and busy developing.
And how long will it be before somebody designs a hack for these black boxes that renders them useless?
I'm not really against charging for actual road use, but really, doesn't the fuel tax already incorporate this principle? And what the
are we still doing being charged car tax? Why?
I'm not really against charging for actual road use, but really, doesn't the fuel tax already incorporate this principle? And what the
are we still doing being charged car tax? Why?parrot of doom said:May I respectfully ask you to reconsider? Given that we motorists currently pay £46 billion to greedy gordon each year in motoring taxes and duties alone - not including income or corporation tax or NI as 'worker' drivers - yet slackjaw only spends about £8 billion at the most generous estimate on the entire transport sector, we've already paid for the goddam roads many times over! Why the hell should we pay again?
I'm not really against charging for actual road use
Motorists pay one seventh of all taxes yet only a seventh of our tax is spent on transport!! Worse, we're vilified and demonised and restricted and treated like criminals for what...for the privilege of paying car hating lentilist politicos through the nose!!!
TripleS said:You're right to be skeptical TripleS. It's not necessary to go back too far in the flight mags to find several articles criticising the spread of automation in the cockpit and the removal of pilots from many decision making processes. This - according to the articles as well as pilots I've spoken with - is detrimental to safety due to the same boredom and de-skilling issues we're raising in the context of cars.
...you have been trusting your flight to Mallorca to autopilots for years and that is a sight more complicated...
Are you sure that is the case? It seems a doubtful claim to me. Perhaps you can explain. Best wishes all, Dave.
Sounds like a wonderful idea, typical of desk ridden twonks who don't drive or hate cars. They seem to think that technology can do anything.
Have they considered just how much computer processing power will be needed to track every single car in EUROPE? I just don't believe that it can be done. It just sounds like some anti car posturing by the likes of Transport 2000 and their European lentil munching friends.
Anyway, it wouldn't take too long for some devious mind to come up with a means of attaching your own transponder signal to another car, truck or whatever, and fool the system completely. Personally, I'd find a means of putting mine onto the head of the local SCAMERA partnership's car. Just for a laugh, of course.
Have they considered just how much computer processing power will be needed to track every single car in EUROPE? I just don't believe that it can be done. It just sounds like some anti car posturing by the likes of Transport 2000 and their European lentil munching friends.
Anyway, it wouldn't take too long for some devious mind to come up with a means of attaching your own transponder signal to another car, truck or whatever, and fool the system completely. Personally, I'd find a means of putting mine onto the head of the local SCAMERA partnership's car. Just for a laugh, of course.
TripleS said:
...you have been trusting your flight to Mallorca to autopilots for years and that is a sight more complicated...
Are you sure that is the case? It seems a doubtful claim to me. Perhaps you can explain.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Hogwash.
(i) there are far more cars than there are planes in any area/route ; the worst cases (still nowhere near) being around Heathrow & Gatwick, which are managed by people.
(ii) the pilots don't use it for complex manoouevres, simply to go in straight lines. they can disengage it in a second to avoid accidents etc.
(iii) rather more money is spent on your average 737 than your average Skoda.
I thought it was common knowledge that the Airbus A340 could be operated by a man and a dog. The dog is there to bite the man if he touches anything. 
Seriously though, Select Committee on road pricing were told the technology is not there and will not be so on a national scale for a considerable time. They were told that the public will not and cannot be priced out of their cars. They were told these by their own Sec of State for Transport for goodness sake!
They chose to ignore the advice.
Wildy got it right at the beginning, dead from neck up.
Seriously though, Select Committee on road pricing were told the technology is not there and will not be so on a national scale for a considerable time. They were told that the public will not and cannot be priced out of their cars. They were told these by their own Sec of State for Transport for goodness sake!
They chose to ignore the advice.
Wildy got it right at the beginning, dead from neck up.
Apparently the UAE is to introduce a complete package of car monitoring and control with the help of IBM, which says the system will also track gross speeding violations
Maybe it's a godsend that Brussels wants a single pan-EU satellite based system ... we also get more time to try and prevent it, not that it'd be easy.
Maybe it's a godsend that Brussels wants a single pan-EU satellite based system ... we also get more time to try and prevent it, not that it'd be easy.
turbobloke said:
Apparently the UAE is to introduce a complete package of car monitoring and control with the help of IBM , which says the system will also track gross speeding violations
Maybe it's a godsend that Brussels wants a single pan-EU satellite based system ... we also get more time to try and prevent it, not that it'd be easy.
With the help of IBM it'll likely go way over time & budget so no need to worry for a few decades
The controlfreaky Brusselites really need to sit down with a nice cup of tea and watch the latest season of the 24 TV show... it really shows how satellite based technology can be easily fooled and screwed with.
In all honesty, I almost want them to try and start a scheme like this, just to prove their own stupidity to themselves.
In all honesty, I almost want them to try and start a scheme like this, just to prove their own stupidity to themselves.
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