Burnt out plug / socket advice
Burnt out plug / socket advice
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bigandclever

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14,064 posts

254 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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That was close! Switched the tumble dryer on last night, about 20 minutes later the house started stinking of fish(?) so I investigated and found this round the back of the dryer ....






The circuit breaker for the sockets on that floor has tripped and I've left it switched off.

On the basis I have done no poking around yet, my questions are:

I assume I will need to replace the socket. Is this something I can do or will I need an electrician?

The plug is a moulded one. Can I cut it off and attach a new plug to it?

And finally the dryer is just over a year old. Assuming the previous two points are addressed and it still works, is there any point getting in touch with the retailer? It's an Indesit one from AO, if that makes any difference.

Thanks in advance.

Mr Pointy

12,573 posts

175 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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The issue is what caused the overheating - a faulty plug on the dryer, a faulty socket or a loose connection to the socket. You can easily swap the socket for a new one but it's quite possible that the wiring in the wall has been damaged in which case you'll need to get an electrician in.

If the problem was in the dryer plug then it's going to be difficult to prove it so you might as well just cut the plug off & put a new one on.

shtu

3,929 posts

162 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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bigandclever said:
The plug is a moulded one. Can I cut it off and attach a new plug to it?
Yes. Cut a couple of inches past the plug.

bigandclever said:
And finally the dryer is just over a year old. Assuming the previous two points are addressed and it still works, is there any point getting in touch with the retailer?
Nope. Looking t that, I think the problem may be that the plug hasn't been fully home, or has lifted out thanks to the cable being curved tight between the socket and the worktop (not a great description).

megaphone

11,255 posts

267 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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I agree it looks like the plug may not have been seated properly due to the proximity of the work top.

Make sure you fit a decent quality double pole switched socket, not a cheap 'no brand'. I like Crabtree https://www.screwfix.com/p/crabtree-13a-2-gang-dou...

Same with the new plug, fit a decent one, MK are good. You'll need one with a 13amp fuse.

TwistingMyMelon

6,450 posts

221 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Fit a smoke alarm above it as well!

bigandclever

Original Poster:

14,064 posts

254 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Thanks for the help smile

I'll check tonight but I suspect the bent flex theory is correct, so user error. Serves me right.

C0ffin D0dger

3,440 posts

161 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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You could always put the new socket on upside down to alleviate the bent flex issue.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

186 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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C0ffin D0dger said:
You could always put the new socket on upside down to alleviate the bent flex issue.
Good idea.

rolleyes


Anyway, no need to buy expensive sockets or plugs.

Just pop down to your local wholesaler and get their trade range. Perfectly acceptable.

Shouldn't cost anymore than a few quid.

freakynessless

473 posts

198 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Without trying to hijack the OP's thread here, this issue worries me. Whilst our tumble dryer is brand new, it lives in the garage, which although is attached to the house it's quite far away from the living space. If the tumble dryer were to catch fire, I fear it would be too late by the time we would realise. I'm not sure we would even hear a smoke alarm if we placed one in the garage. Are there any solutions to this?

dazwalsh

6,106 posts

157 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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freakynessless said:
Without trying to hijack the OP's thread here, this issue worries me. Whilst our tumble dryer is brand new, it lives in the garage, which although is attached to the house it's quite far away from the living space. If the tumble dryer were to catch fire, I fear it would be too late by the time we would realise. I'm not sure we would even hear a smoke alarm if we placed one in the garage. Are there any solutions to this?
"interlink" your smoke alarms and pop one in next to the dryer, if that one is activated the rest or them will go off as well. I beleive there is wireless versions these days but may be pricey. Screwfix would be my first port of call.

samdale

2,860 posts

200 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Alucidnation said:
C0ffin D0dger said:
You could always put the new socket on upside down to alleviate the bent flex issue.
Good idea.

rolleyes
smile

The hole in the worktop suggests it's just in a utility room and not on show. Id certainly be looking at cutting a bigger/more accurate hole below the socket so this won't happen again.

motco

16,798 posts

262 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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It's interesting to note that it's the neutral pin that has overheated, rather than the live being heated by conduction from an under-rated fuse. I have found that the neutral terminal in after-fitment (not moulded on) plugs often loosens due to being rigidly attached to the neutral pin. The live pin is decoupled mechanically by the fuse cartridge so doesn't get 'wiggled' when the plug is inserted and removed. This being a moulded on plug it should not have screw terminals inside it.

JimbobVFR

2,798 posts

160 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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samdale said:
smile

The hole in the worktop suggests it's just in a utility room and not on show. Id certainly be looking at cutting a bigger/more accurate hole below the socket so this won't happen again.
Might not be necessary to do any of that, a replacement plug is likely to give much more clearance as it won't have the big rubber gaiter bit that one had.

peterperkins

3,266 posts

258 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Clean the bare copper ends of the cables in the wall behind the socket with fine sandpaper to get rid of any glaze/crud/soot etc before fitting new wall socket.

CorradoTDI

1,761 posts

187 months

Wednesday 10th January 2018
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Always use MK sockets for appliances!

Panamax

6,606 posts

50 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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Had a completely burnt out plug on the kettle today. One end of the 13amp fuse had clearly been overheating in its clip each time the kettle was used and the corrosion built up finally burnt away so the kettle failed without even tripping the breaker or blowing a fuse.

megaphone

11,255 posts

267 months

Thursday 23rd June 2022
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What make of kettle?

Panamax

6,606 posts

50 months

Friday 24th June 2022
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megaphone said:
What make of kettle?
It's an "Andrew James" fast boil kettle so draws a pretty hefty current..


Dr Mike Oxgreen

4,331 posts

181 months

Friday 24th June 2022
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bigandclever said:
about 20 minutes later the house started stinking of fish(?)
For anyone reading this who hasn’t experienced it, it’s well worth noting this comment and lodging it in your memory.

Certain plastics often used in electrical fittings like plugs and sockets do exactly this when they get way too hot and start to melt or scorch: they give off a pungent aroma that smells exactly like gone-off fish.

So if you ever smell bad fish in your house, and it can’t be explained by fish scraps in your kitchen bin, don’t ignore it! Somewhere in your house, something electrical is overheating. You need to find it before a fire develops.

rfisher

5,029 posts

299 months

Friday 24th June 2022
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TCP in my case not fish.

Pretty acrid.

Dishwasher not tumble dryer or washing machine.

Best practice with anything that has a heating element in it is to pull the plug every month and inspect both it and the socket.

Edited by rfisher on Friday 24th June 18:40