Going for a Saggy test drive this arvo :)
Discussion
Well let yas all know what I think.
Spent an hr or so with Lisa down at Dream Machines on Sunday talking about spec before Ive even driven one
Decided my spec if I buy...
Reflex charcoal.
Interior, a mix of cream and carbon leather trim, with black carpets and alcantara top dash.
Anthracite Spiders
Spent an hr or so with Lisa down at Dream Machines on Sunday talking about spec before Ive even driven one
Decided my spec if I buy...
Reflex charcoal.
Interior, a mix of cream and carbon leather trim, with black carpets and alcantara top dash.
Anthracite Spiders
That's about exactly the spec I'll have for mine.I really wanted a reflex charcoal or reflex green one with anthracites. I just bottled it at the end of the day based on going for a lighter colour for stone chips (my last car was black) and that I knew how much I liked iced titanium because I'd seen a Sag in the flesh in that colour at the motorshow. That and the lack of factory visits meant I couldn't see lots of saggy's in different colours.
I don't regret going for iced tit but if I had another one I'd probably go for one of the greens. Both are really stunning and now the sag's got blocked in vents a darker colour works even better I reckon.
But cream leather? Well if that's your thing. Personally I think the interior is really classy in dark/ black leather with coloured stitching. Maybe ocean green highlights too. Well that's what I'd have. But anthracite wheels are a must! They are definitely more aggressive and therefore suit the car to a 'T'.
I don't regret going for iced tit but if I had another one I'd probably go for one of the greens. Both are really stunning and now the sag's got blocked in vents a darker colour works even better I reckon.
But cream leather? Well if that's your thing. Personally I think the interior is really classy in dark/ black leather with coloured stitching. Maybe ocean green highlights too. Well that's what I'd have. But anthracite wheels are a must! They are definitely more aggressive and therefore suit the car to a 'T'.
hey, mail me with your thoughts will you? owing to a change of circumstances and an impending bout of depression im thinking of trading up to a sagaris. id really apprecaiet it if you could let me know what it was like.
thanks in advance,
mjb
>> Edited by nervous on Monday 18th April 14:21
thanks in advance,
mjb
>> Edited by nervous on Monday 18th April 14:21
I was speaking to Lisa on Friday - did she try to flog you the Saggy they have coming in next month or has that now been taken? I was sorely tempted but need to resolve some mortgage issues first. Not exactly the colour you are looking for but then again you could be driving your the car this summer – rather than taking delivery in July/Aug.
Either way I (and I'm sure many others) are looking forward to hearing what you think after driving the car.
Ludite
>> Edited by luddite on Thursday 21st April 14:27
Either way I (and I'm sure many others) are looking forward to hearing what you think after driving the car.
Ludite
>> Edited by luddite on Thursday 21st April 14:27
groucho said:
How do you make up your mind on colour schemes and interiors with all what is available? Do they give you a brochure to browse or something? I'm thinking about buying new next year but wouldn't have a clue to what colours are available, you get the drift.
A good dealer ( Dream Machines for example ) will sit you down with an interior plan showing all the various panels. You then get to look at all the swatches for leather trim, carpet, stitching etc. You should also get their advice as to what works and what doesnt. Your choice at the end of the day, but they do have the experience. I spent hours with Ben from DM going over the alternatives, and I am delighted with the result. With my first Tusc I took Danielle from B/Pool's advice and she too was brill. My advice for what its worth is to not go mad cos one day you may have to come to sell it, and believe me I have seen some awful combo's, but fair play that is what the owner wanted, but shall we say maybe an individual taste. A pink Tusc with purple interior springs to mind, apologies to owner but I wouldnt buy it.
Ok thoughts.
Had an hour with the car and it was their head of servicing that took me out in it. Tallish lad, glasses, nice guy.
Hellish quick. Not in a Griff way, but in a "how the
am I doing 90?" way. Sheer linear power. Floor hinged pedals, the high biting point on the clutch and the long travel throttle get some taking used to, but they soon start to feel natural. I really liked the driving set up. Power steering. Im not a fan, dont like it, little feel, too light. For girls and southerners only.
Seats are excellent, the ride is pretty good also, very firm, but well damped. Feels very well planted and you wouldnt know it has 255 boots up front. Rear end bottoms over some bumpy stuff if you are trying to press on. Build quality seemed just fine to me, the cabin is in a different league to anything Porsche or Ferrari have produced for the last 20odd yrs.
The sound is God awful. Dull, boring, a drone. OK so Im comming from a pre-cat 4.3 but purleeeeeeeeeease! Get some blue flame specials on em asap is my advice.
I have another drive on friday lined up. Also hoping to take a T350 out so I can compare them back to back. My initial thoughts after the hour are that it is a very competent motor car. BUT...and in this company it is a big but. At anything less than 8/10's it feels anodyne. Dull. Too easy. No sense of occasion, no drama. Start to cane it and it comes alive...*really* alive. It gives you confidence once you start to dial into what it can do and I dont mean the dual carriage way stuff. We took her out over Beachy Head...theres an experience boys n girls, test driving a new Saggy on a gorgeous Spring afternoon along the top of Beachy Head I started to give it some interest using 2/3/4 gears and thats when you start to connect.
Friday should be interesting.
Oh and it has bugger all torque below 3k rpm. The first guy who puts a supercharger on one of these things is going to create the fastest point to point roadcar around, simple as.
Oh yeah, you also get stupendous vision! Aint like a Griff, where you sit in the car, it feels like a truck. You sit on the car and you can see out! Very strange after a Griff!
Had an hour with the car and it was their head of servicing that took me out in it. Tallish lad, glasses, nice guy.
Hellish quick. Not in a Griff way, but in a "how the
am I doing 90?" way. Sheer linear power. Floor hinged pedals, the high biting point on the clutch and the long travel throttle get some taking used to, but they soon start to feel natural. I really liked the driving set up. Power steering. Im not a fan, dont like it, little feel, too light. For girls and southerners only. Seats are excellent, the ride is pretty good also, very firm, but well damped. Feels very well planted and you wouldnt know it has 255 boots up front. Rear end bottoms over some bumpy stuff if you are trying to press on. Build quality seemed just fine to me, the cabin is in a different league to anything Porsche or Ferrari have produced for the last 20odd yrs.
The sound is God awful. Dull, boring, a drone. OK so Im comming from a pre-cat 4.3 but purleeeeeeeeeease! Get some blue flame specials on em asap is my advice.
I have another drive on friday lined up. Also hoping to take a T350 out so I can compare them back to back. My initial thoughts after the hour are that it is a very competent motor car. BUT...and in this company it is a big but. At anything less than 8/10's it feels anodyne. Dull. Too easy. No sense of occasion, no drama. Start to cane it and it comes alive...*really* alive. It gives you confidence once you start to dial into what it can do and I dont mean the dual carriage way stuff. We took her out over Beachy Head...theres an experience boys n girls, test driving a new Saggy on a gorgeous Spring afternoon along the top of Beachy Head
I started to give it some interest using 2/3/4 gears and thats when you start to connect. Friday should be interesting.
Oh and it has bugger all torque below 3k rpm. The first guy who puts a supercharger on one of these things is going to create the fastest point to point roadcar around, simple as.
Oh yeah, you also get stupendous vision! Aint like a Griff, where you sit in the car, it feels like a truck. You sit on the car and you can see out! Very strange after a Griff!
Crikey! This says more about the griff than the Sagaris imo and you make the griff sound like a complete pig!
No sense of occasion? er I'm not sure about that one but if you mean easy to drive when you don't want to be 'on it' then I'd agree. Personally I think that's a great quality in a road car. At least you have the option of turning it on, rather than a car that can't turn it off.
I'm amazed you didn't like the sound but then, along with the 'no power below 3' stuff, I guess this is a rover v8 thing. Personally I'd trade (and you have to) the power below 3 for the howling top end over the rover's asthmatic top end any day. And really, compared to an ordinary car there is stacks of power below 3. For real driving pleasure there's no substitute for the highly tuned, revving race engine feel and few engines do it better than the speed six. Those who love bottom end should get a diesel.
Honestly, coming from any non tvr car a Sagaris is still a big shock - in all the right ways of course. For tvr owners the shock is that it's easier to use, which is in contrast to the way the car looks, which is 'get any closer and I'll bite your legs off'.
No sense of occasion? er I'm not sure about that one but if you mean easy to drive when you don't want to be 'on it' then I'd agree. Personally I think that's a great quality in a road car. At least you have the option of turning it on, rather than a car that can't turn it off.
I'm amazed you didn't like the sound but then, along with the 'no power below 3' stuff, I guess this is a rover v8 thing. Personally I'd trade (and you have to) the power below 3 for the howling top end over the rover's asthmatic top end any day. And really, compared to an ordinary car there is stacks of power below 3. For real driving pleasure there's no substitute for the highly tuned, revving race engine feel and few engines do it better than the speed six. Those who love bottom end should get a diesel.
Honestly, coming from any non tvr car a Sagaris is still a big shock - in all the right ways of course. For tvr owners the shock is that it's easier to use, which is in contrast to the way the car looks, which is 'get any closer and I'll bite your legs off'.
I remember the first time I drove a speed 6 I hated it.
It was so very different to my Griff, no torgue below 3k to speak of. Then I 'borrowed' a T350 for a few days & given to chance to spend some time learning how to use the engine I was amazed - the power band just grows & grows if you give it the chance.
As you say, you saw a diffent side of it as you went over Beachy Head - I'll bet when you go back to it later you will adjust your driving style slightly & see it in a different light, I certainly did
Nick
It was so very different to my Griff, no torgue below 3k to speak of. Then I 'borrowed' a T350 for a few days & given to chance to spend some time learning how to use the engine I was amazed - the power band just grows & grows if you give it the chance.
As you say, you saw a diffent side of it as you went over Beachy Head - I'll bet when you go back to it later you will adjust your driving style slightly & see it in a different light, I certainly did
Nick
the pits said:
Crikey! This says more about the griff than the Sagaris imo and you make the griff sound like a complete pig!
No sense of occasion? er I'm not sure about that one but if you mean easy to drive when you don't want to be 'on it' then I'd agree. Personally I think that's a great quality in a road car. At least you have the option of turning it on, rather than a car that can't turn it off.
I'm amazed you didn't like the sound but then, along with the 'no power below 3' stuff, I guess this is a rover v8 thing. Personally I'd trade (and you have to) the power below 3 for the howling top end over the rover's asthmatic top end any day. And really, compared to an ordinary car there is stacks of power below 3. For real driving pleasure there's no substitute for the highly tuned, revving race engine feel and few engines do it better than the speed six. Those who love bottom end should get a diesel.
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The Griff a complete pig? In terms of easy of driving, compared to the Saggy, yes it is, but in terms of driver involvement and really *driving* the car at anything below say 7/10ths committment, the Griff whups the Sag hands down. It isnt even a contest. You really need to find an interesting road to get to know the Sag and then it comes alives and you start to understand it.
The sound really is very very boring compared to a pre cat Rv8. I dont really care about the high end whizzy stuff anyway, I do most of my driving between 1.5 and 4k rpm. Currently my feeling is that Sag just isnt special enough often enough for me to justify it. The Griff feels and sounds special at 30, the Sag starts its I Wanna Rape Lentil Munching Veggie Lambos at 80.
Like I say, Ill do the 350 and Sag back to back on Friday.
We all do most of our driving between 1 and 4k rpm. But only because we have to. This is the boring day to day stuff like going to the supermarket, dropping off a video etc.
What do you do when the road opens up clear and empty ahead and you're now driving for pleasure as opposed to just trying to get somewhere. Still stick below 4k? Thought not.
1-4k - that's EXACTLY where diesels are tuned for, lorries, buses, white vans, dumper trucks... need I go on?
F1 cars and motorbikes sound so good because they rev high.
What do you do when the road opens up clear and empty ahead and you're now driving for pleasure as opposed to just trying to get somewhere. Still stick below 4k? Thought not.
1-4k - that's EXACTLY where diesels are tuned for, lorries, buses, white vans, dumper trucks... need I go on?
F1 cars and motorbikes sound so good because they rev high.
the pits said:
We all do most of our driving between 1 and 4k rpm. But only because we have to. This is the boring day to day stuff like going to the supermarket, dropping off a video etc.
What do you do when the road opens up clear and empty ahead and you're now driving for pleasure as opposed to just trying to get somewhere. Still stick below 4k? Thought not.
1-4k - that's EXACTLY where diesels are tuned for, lorries, buses, white vans, dumper trucks... need I go on?
F1 cars and motorbikes sound so good because they rev high.
When I drive for pleasure I rarely go upto 5k rpm. If Im over taking, then yes Ill get up there, then just change up to 5th and back to fast ish cruise at 2.5 to 3k rpm. Above that in 5th in the Griff and you are well above 80.
I dont think bikes sound good and I stopped thinking F1 engines sounded good when they become 10 pots.
That's cool. Whatever does it for you.
But if you were in charge of TVR engine development I'd be driving something else!
I do think there is an element of adjustment as some other ph'ers have mentioned, when going from the rover 8 to the speed six.
I remember when I first rode motorcycles I had to make myself rev them as it just seemed mechanically cruel coming from ordinary cars that don't go above 6,000. I soon got used to it though and it works both ways, going back to low revving stuff just seems boring now.
Mass car manufacturers do it for longevity, economy and to keep costs down as low revvers don't need exotic engine internals. Boggo cheap stuff will do. None are reasons for exotic car owners to get excited about!
But if you were in charge of TVR engine development I'd be driving something else!
I do think there is an element of adjustment as some other ph'ers have mentioned, when going from the rover 8 to the speed six.
I remember when I first rode motorcycles I had to make myself rev them as it just seemed mechanically cruel coming from ordinary cars that don't go above 6,000. I soon got used to it though and it works both ways, going back to low revving stuff just seems boring now.
Mass car manufacturers do it for longevity, economy and to keep costs down as low revvers don't need exotic engine internals. Boggo cheap stuff will do. None are reasons for exotic car owners to get excited about!
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