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What would be your thoughts if you instructed a Porsche specialist to carry out a PPI and due to the information he provided, lead me to withdraw from the purchase but subsequently buys the car himself! I have paid for his services and asked for my money back, of which he is thinking about!!
FULL STORY if you want to read.
I am in the process of looking for a 997 2S and found a car which I thought was priced well for the mileage and spec. I agreed a price with the seller and agreed that it would be subject to a PPI. The car had previously been serviced at a local Porsche Specialist, so I called them and asked if they would carry out the work.
They provided a brief report which highlighted the sailient points, coolant pipes corroded, vacuum pump leaking etc etc. They quoted approximately £1600 for remedial works and a major service but not including replacing the coolant pipes as they suggested they should be fine for a while.
At my request they also read the rev range data on the ECU. This came back with 125 over revs in range 5 but none in range 6. After doing a bit of research and reading on forums Over night, yes very dangerous! I became nervous of the over revs in range 5 so called first thing this morning. I asked them for more details on the over revs and they suggested that they were in hours 4100 or so but the car had only run 1100 hrs. This obviously didn’t make sense and nor could he explain it. I asked if someone could have played with the ECU, which again he was unsure of.
After careful consideration I decided not to proceed with buying the car and made contact with the owner, apologising and explaining my situation. I subsequently received an email from owner to say that it was fine but the Porsche Specialist had agreed to buy the car!!
I have mixed thoughts on this, if I was sceptical I would think they purposely portrayed the car in such a way as to cause doubt, mainly over revs and lack of clarity of figures.
My other thoughts are that he is probably the best person to buy the car and put it right and also offer a warranty which will give a buyer comfort but not at my expense!.
I have asked for my money back but am also inclined to involve trading standards or other motoring bodies. Advice needed please
FULL STORY if you want to read.
I am in the process of looking for a 997 2S and found a car which I thought was priced well for the mileage and spec. I agreed a price with the seller and agreed that it would be subject to a PPI. The car had previously been serviced at a local Porsche Specialist, so I called them and asked if they would carry out the work.
They provided a brief report which highlighted the sailient points, coolant pipes corroded, vacuum pump leaking etc etc. They quoted approximately £1600 for remedial works and a major service but not including replacing the coolant pipes as they suggested they should be fine for a while.
At my request they also read the rev range data on the ECU. This came back with 125 over revs in range 5 but none in range 6. After doing a bit of research and reading on forums Over night, yes very dangerous! I became nervous of the over revs in range 5 so called first thing this morning. I asked them for more details on the over revs and they suggested that they were in hours 4100 or so but the car had only run 1100 hrs. This obviously didn’t make sense and nor could he explain it. I asked if someone could have played with the ECU, which again he was unsure of.
After careful consideration I decided not to proceed with buying the car and made contact with the owner, apologising and explaining my situation. I subsequently received an email from owner to say that it was fine but the Porsche Specialist had agreed to buy the car!!
I have mixed thoughts on this, if I was sceptical I would think they purposely portrayed the car in such a way as to cause doubt, mainly over revs and lack of clarity of figures.
My other thoughts are that he is probably the best person to buy the car and put it right and also offer a warranty which will give a buyer comfort but not at my expense!.
I have asked for my money back but am also inclined to involve trading standards or other motoring bodies. Advice needed please
Sorry, but your regret at not buying this is clouding your judgement.
The specialist gave you the info you paid him to give. As long as it was truthful - and judging by the info provided it appears to be, there is nothing there that says he told you the car is worthless, is going to blow up any minute, absolutely needed to be repaired immediately, etc I tend to think so.
You subsequently pulled out.
Your involvement with the car ended there, the car was then effectively back on the market, and the specialist, seeing you pass over an evidently good deal, stepped in.
Personally you may have been a victim of the doomsayers. If you come on here asking for advice about a purchase there will always be those who will predict the apocalypse. Just read all the posts about just how sh*tty a car is because the ad photos are not so good, let alone when some imperfection is discussed.
When I buy a car I would certainly ask about known issues etc with the make and model but from then on, I refer to Balls Mk1 for advice knowing full well that any used car will ALWAYS have something that needs to be dealt with, and only I can make a judgement call on that, not someone on a forum somewhere who is not at all interested in, nor affected in any way by my decision.
A word of caution, at this stage the normal reaction may be to go out and buy the next car that turns up, almost blindly. Try to resist. Just pretend the car you missed out on never existed.
The specialist gave you the info you paid him to give. As long as it was truthful - and judging by the info provided it appears to be, there is nothing there that says he told you the car is worthless, is going to blow up any minute, absolutely needed to be repaired immediately, etc I tend to think so.
You subsequently pulled out.
Your involvement with the car ended there, the car was then effectively back on the market, and the specialist, seeing you pass over an evidently good deal, stepped in.
Personally you may have been a victim of the doomsayers. If you come on here asking for advice about a purchase there will always be those who will predict the apocalypse. Just read all the posts about just how sh*tty a car is because the ad photos are not so good, let alone when some imperfection is discussed.
When I buy a car I would certainly ask about known issues etc with the make and model but from then on, I refer to Balls Mk1 for advice knowing full well that any used car will ALWAYS have something that needs to be dealt with, and only I can make a judgement call on that, not someone on a forum somewhere who is not at all interested in, nor affected in any way by my decision.
A word of caution, at this stage the normal reaction may be to go out and buy the next car that turns up, almost blindly. Try to resist. Just pretend the car you missed out on never existed.
Thanks for responses to date but can I add that I had originally instructed him to carry out the remedial works but it was only the lack of clarity on the over revs and numbers that put me off!
The more I think about it now, the more I feel duped! His final words were more or less, as long as you budget for an engine rebuild at some point in the future you will be fine!!
The more I think about it now, the more I feel duped! His final words were more or less, as long as you budget for an engine rebuild at some point in the future you will be fine!!
2 things, firstly what would cost you £1600 to put right will probably cost the Specialist £600 if that, as they won't pay VAT on the parts and the Labour will be at Edd China Rates, they will obviously re-sell at a higher price than a private seller
secondly, they obviously waited until you had declined the car and then made an offer, so in their view you didn't want the car and it was available for sale
It is down to price, trust and attitude to risk, I recently bought a bargain basement Boxster, my specialist advised me not to bother with an inspection at this price-point, just make sure the obvious stuff is right, it looks and feels right and use that money for the post-purchase remediation.
I did that, drove loads, and only bought when heart, head and gut all said yes, even though it was from a dodgy back street dealer! But, he had the right attitude, knew Boxsters and we had a very forthright conversation about the faults and price. I then immediately stuck it into Dove House for a Post-Purchase Inspection and remedial work. (and I am loving it!)
secondly, they obviously waited until you had declined the car and then made an offer, so in their view you didn't want the car and it was available for sale
It is down to price, trust and attitude to risk, I recently bought a bargain basement Boxster, my specialist advised me not to bother with an inspection at this price-point, just make sure the obvious stuff is right, it looks and feels right and use that money for the post-purchase remediation.
I did that, drove loads, and only bought when heart, head and gut all said yes, even though it was from a dodgy back street dealer! But, he had the right attitude, knew Boxsters and we had a very forthright conversation about the faults and price. I then immediately stuck it into Dove House for a Post-Purchase Inspection and remedial work. (and I am loving it!)
PPI services that have garages and or dealerships associated to them, a.k.a the trade, face a conflict of interest when conducting PPIs, as you have just learnt.
Porsche Inspections and Essex Porsche Inspections, both of which I have used in the past and rate highly, pride themselves on the fact they are not affiliated to anyone or anything which ensures their judgment remains impartial.
Looking on the bright side, you dodged a £1,600 bill and bought yourself a valuable lesson.
Porsche Inspections and Essex Porsche Inspections, both of which I have used in the past and rate highly, pride themselves on the fact they are not affiliated to anyone or anything which ensures their judgment remains impartial.
Looking on the bright side, you dodged a £1,600 bill and bought yourself a valuable lesson.
Get over it I'd say.
Kongy888 said:
The more I think about it now, the more I feel duped! His final words were more or less, as long as you budget for an engine rebuild at some point in the future you will be fine!!
What's wrong with that advice? Is that worse than not informing you at all of the engine issues with these cars and suddenly you get a £10k bill in your face?Kongy888 said:
What would be your thoughts if you instructed a Porsche specialist to carry out a PPI and due to the information he provided, lead me to withdraw from the purchase but subsequently buys the car himself! I have paid for his services and asked for my money back, of which he is thinking about!!
FULL STORY if you want to read.
I am in the process of looking for a 997 2S and found a car which I thought was priced well for the mileage and spec. I agreed a price with the seller and agreed that it would be subject to a PPI. The car had previously been serviced at a local Porsche Specialist, so I called them and asked if they would carry out the work.
They provided a brief report which highlighted the sailient points, coolant pipes corroded, vacuum pump leaking etc etc. They quoted approximately £1600 for remedial works and a major service but not including replacing the coolant pipes as they suggested they should be fine for a while.
At my request they also read the rev range data on the ECU. This came back with 125 over revs in range 5 but none in range 6. After doing a bit of research and reading on forums Over night, yes very dangerous! I became nervous of the over revs in range 5 so called first thing this morning. I asked them for more details on the over revs and they suggested that they were in hours 4100 or so but the car had only run 1100 hrs. This obviously didn’t make sense and nor could he explain it. I asked if someone could have played with the ECU, which again he was unsure of.
After careful consideration I decided not to proceed with buying the car and made contact with the owner, apologising and explaining my situation. I subsequently received an email from owner to say that it was fine but the Porsche Specialist had agreed to buy the car!!
I have mixed thoughts on this, if I was sceptical I would think they purposely portrayed the car in such a way as to cause doubt, mainly over revs and lack of clarity of figures.
My other thoughts are that he is probably the best person to buy the car and put it right and also offer a warranty which will give a buyer comfort but not at my expense!.
I have asked for my money back but am also inclined to involve trading standards or other motoring bodies. Advice needed please
I don't see the problem, you paid for a report, it flagged up a few issues, you chose not to buy, the specialist bought it once you'd stepped aside. Why should he refund the inspection he did for you...? You're paying for his time and expertise...Keep looking for another car, there's thousands out there....FULL STORY if you want to read.
I am in the process of looking for a 997 2S and found a car which I thought was priced well for the mileage and spec. I agreed a price with the seller and agreed that it would be subject to a PPI. The car had previously been serviced at a local Porsche Specialist, so I called them and asked if they would carry out the work.
They provided a brief report which highlighted the sailient points, coolant pipes corroded, vacuum pump leaking etc etc. They quoted approximately £1600 for remedial works and a major service but not including replacing the coolant pipes as they suggested they should be fine for a while.
At my request they also read the rev range data on the ECU. This came back with 125 over revs in range 5 but none in range 6. After doing a bit of research and reading on forums Over night, yes very dangerous! I became nervous of the over revs in range 5 so called first thing this morning. I asked them for more details on the over revs and they suggested that they were in hours 4100 or so but the car had only run 1100 hrs. This obviously didn’t make sense and nor could he explain it. I asked if someone could have played with the ECU, which again he was unsure of.
After careful consideration I decided not to proceed with buying the car and made contact with the owner, apologising and explaining my situation. I subsequently received an email from owner to say that it was fine but the Porsche Specialist had agreed to buy the car!!
I have mixed thoughts on this, if I was sceptical I would think they purposely portrayed the car in such a way as to cause doubt, mainly over revs and lack of clarity of figures.
My other thoughts are that he is probably the best person to buy the car and put it right and also offer a warranty which will give a buyer comfort but not at my expense!.
I have asked for my money back but am also inclined to involve trading standards or other motoring bodies. Advice needed please
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