Why no E61 540i?
Why no E61 540i?
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AppleJuice

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2,165 posts

116 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Wondering why BMW only offered their larger V8 in the E61 (45i / 50i) and no 40i? Or 35i in the E39? Especially as they offered both 30i and 40i in the E34?

JamesRR

284 posts

116 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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I’m fairly sure both the E39 535i and E60 540i exist. May not have sold in particularly big numbers, but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen both.

dom9

8,678 posts

240 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Yeah, 540 existed... but I don't think it was built for long.

Was one on Autotrader, recently smile

Krikkit

27,939 posts

212 months

schmalex

13,616 posts

237 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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The E39 was offered as a v8 535i but when they moved from the 528i to 530i in, about, 2000, the 535i was left pretty redundant as it was no more powerful than the 530i, but was significantly heavier and more thirsty. It was, I think, killed off at the same time.

Fast forward a few years and I now have a F11 535i - what a car it is! It’s rare as hens teeth, silky smooth when cruising and properly fast by any measure when prodded.

jkh112

23,947 posts

189 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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I used to own a e39 535i V8 so they were sold in the UK.

Dapster

9,583 posts

211 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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AppleJuice said:
Wondering why BMW only offered their larger V8 in the E61 (45i / 50i) and no 40i? Or 35i in the E39? Especially as they offered both 30i and 40i in the E34?
The E61 is the Touring. BMW offered the 540i in the E60 saloon (as per the above) but not the E61. The petrol engines in the LCI Touring were 523i, 525i, 530i and 550i.

Fresh Prince

543 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Yep, BMW only offered the smaller V8s in saloon form from E39 onwards. E39T and E61 didn’t get 535i and 540i respectively.

Fresh Prince

543 posts

203 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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schmalex said:
The E39 was offered as a v8 535i but when they moved from the 528i to 530i in, about, 2000, the 535i was left pretty redundant as it was no more powerful than the 530i, but was significantly heavier and more thirsty. It was, I think, killed off at the same time.

Fast forward a few years and I now have a F11 535i - what a car it is! It’s rare as hens teeth, silky smooth when cruising and properly fast by any measure when prodded.
530i was brought in with the facelift and had 231bhp. 535i pre facelift had 235bhp. Post facelift 535i remained, but had 245bhp. Didn’t sell well post facelift, most probably due to 530i.

ETA above refers to E39. F10/11 535i is a turbo 6 with more than 300bhp.

bmwmike

8,788 posts

139 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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There was a e39 touring 540.

AppleJuice

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2,165 posts

116 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Krikkit said:
Thank you everyone for answering the question that I didn't ask - I know the E60 was sold as a 540i (N62B40) (and the E39 as a 535i (M62B35 / M62TUB35)) but I was asking why the E61 wasn't sold as a 540i variant - the engine is more than capable of lugging it around... Same goes for the M62 in the E39T.
As I said in my original post, the E34 was sold as a 530i/8 and a 540i with both small and large capacities of the M60 engine (M60B30 / M60B40) - which apparently had no, if any interchangeable components between the two engines - so why did BMW stop selling both small and large capacities of V8 engine in the Touring versons of the 5 Series?

ETA: no E61 535i either (N62B36)

PS: do I win the prize for "I appear to know every bloody engine code since the dawn of time" award? nerdtongue out

schmalex

13,616 posts

237 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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I think you think that you asked a different question from the one that everyone thought you’d thought you asked...

AppleJuice

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116 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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schmalex said:
I think you think that you asked a different question from the one that everyone thought you’d thought you asked...
I'm thinking that as well - crap phrasing boxedin

jkh112

23,947 posts

189 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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I answered the question I thought you had asked.
I have no answer for the question you thought you had asked.

JakeT

6,002 posts

151 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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I imagine type approval and the likes. The 4.0 V8 in the E60 I think is a bit crap when the N54 made the same power. As for the E39T 535i much the same. I'd say the 530i was better with rack and pinion steering over the recirc ball of the V8 models.

Higgs boson

1,105 posts

184 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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JakeT said:
As for the E39T 535i much the same. I'd say the 530i was better with rack and pinion steering over the recirc ball of the V8 models.

I have two e39s ... one is r&p, the other is rb.
The difference in steering feel is extremely marginal/barely perceptible.
Both with nothing excessively worn, I should add. smile

S. Gonzales Esq.

2,559 posts

243 months

Monday 15th January 2018
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I'm with you on that - having experienced many r&p variants, I have no complaints about the way my E39 540i steers.

It's certainly better for feel than every single modern EPAS car I've driven.