Future Classic Hot Hatches
Discussion
Afternoon all,
newbie here so apologies if this thread is in the wrong section.
Like everyone else I love a good hot hatch and have had a few over the years
Starlet GT Turbo
Fiat Bravo HGT
I suspect like many overs on here regret selling their 205 GTI and would love another one but don't have the funds to get one now the way the prices are going.
In a couple of months time I will have some spare cash for a track toy and want to get back to having a hot hatch but would like to get one that could be a future classic.
to me it looks like the Saxo VTS could have the potential for that status and is certainly good fun on the likes of Castle Combe but as they are reducing in numbers & price starting to rise a little bit I was wondering what other options would be A. good fun & B. potential investment?
There is plenty of Saxo VTR available and at low money too, do you think they could be a good shout?
What about a mk4 fiesta Zetec s?
newbie here so apologies if this thread is in the wrong section.
Like everyone else I love a good hot hatch and have had a few over the years
- cough* Nova sr *cough*
Starlet GT Turbo
Fiat Bravo HGT
I suspect like many overs on here regret selling their 205 GTI and would love another one but don't have the funds to get one now the way the prices are going.
In a couple of months time I will have some spare cash for a track toy and want to get back to having a hot hatch but would like to get one that could be a future classic.
to me it looks like the Saxo VTS could have the potential for that status and is certainly good fun on the likes of Castle Combe but as they are reducing in numbers & price starting to rise a little bit I was wondering what other options would be A. good fun & B. potential investment?
There is plenty of Saxo VTR available and at low money too, do you think they could be a good shout?
What about a mk4 fiesta Zetec s?
The VTR will never be worth big money imho - the engine is too weedy, the gear ratios too weird.
A good VTS will be a good investment, as would a solid 106GTI (insert preference here). There's also the 106 Rallye models which are already on their way up, a good one is now £4k. Also think about a good 306 GTI6/Rallye as well, both excellent cars.
Clio 182 Trophy are already expensive, but I think a well looked after 182 or 172 Cup will be a good bet as well.
For other marques I think a good 147 GTA will be a very big thing in future, the rare editions of the Golf Mk.5, maybe the Mk.5 R32?
A good VTS will be a good investment, as would a solid 106GTI (insert preference here). There's also the 106 Rallye models which are already on their way up, a good one is now £4k. Also think about a good 306 GTI6/Rallye as well, both excellent cars.
Clio 182 Trophy are already expensive, but I think a well looked after 182 or 172 Cup will be a good bet as well.
For other marques I think a good 147 GTA will be a very big thing in future, the rare editions of the Golf Mk.5, maybe the Mk.5 R32?
Nova, Starlet, Pug are already pricey and modern classics
The Zetec-S (facelifted m4 or Mk5 whichever nomenclature you use) is potentially going to get there, its so cheap to run and so much fun that it will still be a viable option for youngsters who are into their fords at the moment so its not there yet.
I think saxo VTR/VTS are almost there, I recon if you can find a good Citroen AX GT for reasonable cash thats a winner too
The Zetec-S (facelifted m4 or Mk5 whichever nomenclature you use) is potentially going to get there, its so cheap to run and so much fun that it will still be a viable option for youngsters who are into their fords at the moment so its not there yet.
I think saxo VTR/VTS are almost there, I recon if you can find a good Citroen AX GT for reasonable cash thats a winner too
[quote=Car-Matt]Nova, Starlet, Pug are already pricey and modern classics
The Zetec-S (facelifted m4 or Mk5 whichever nomenclature you use) is potentially going to get there, its so cheap to run and so much fun that it will still be a viable option for youngsters who are into their fords at the moment so its not there yet.
I think saxo VTR/VTS are almost there, I recon if you can find a good Citroen AX GT for reasonable cash thats a winner too[/quote
Agree on the AX GT, I've had two. Have you seen the price of a decent one now though? Reasonable money won't cut it
The Zetec-S (facelifted m4 or Mk5 whichever nomenclature you use) is potentially going to get there, its so cheap to run and so much fun that it will still be a viable option for youngsters who are into their fords at the moment so its not there yet.
I think saxo VTR/VTS are almost there, I recon if you can find a good Citroen AX GT for reasonable cash thats a winner too[/quote
Agree on the AX GT, I've had two. Have you seen the price of a decent one now though? Reasonable money won't cut it
TheVole said:
Any fast Ford should give a good return on investment - Fiesta ST150, Focus ST225, even the current/outgoing Fiesta ST180 will all be worth something in 20-30 years.
I dont agree, i think the numbers need to be limited for them to be worth real money, the Mk2 Focus ST is out there in such huge numbers it may remain popular with enthusiasts but it wont go up in value hugely like the Halo model RSThe Mk6 Fiesta ST150 is similarly out there in big numbers and largely unloved, jurys out on whether that will rise in time
Car-Matt said:
TheVole said:
Any fast Ford should give a good return on investment - Fiesta ST150, Focus ST225, even the current/outgoing Fiesta ST180 will all be worth something in 20-30 years.
I dont agree, i think the numbers need to be limited for them to be worth real money, the Mk2 Focus ST is out there in such huge numbers it may remain popular with enthusiasts but it wont go up in value hugely like the Halo model RSThe Mk6 Fiesta ST150 is similarly out there in big numbers and largely unloved, jurys out on whether that will rise in time
Nova SRs used to be ten a penny-now you try and find a cheap one!
TheVole said:
Any fast Ford should give a good return on investment - Fiesta ST150, Focus ST225, even the current/outgoing Fiesta ST180 will all be worth something in 20-30 years.
Unfortunately due to spending a vast sum of money on an a house extension last year and getting married this year my available funds for a track toy will be more like be hundreds rather than thousands.LaurasOtherHalf said:
But shirley that's the very definition of a future blue collar classic? It needs to have been ubiquitous enough to have a link with the wider public so that in 20 years when there are very few left everyone wants one. The whole reason they become rare is because when they're out there in huge numbers no one gives them a second thought or looks after them ending to dwindling numbers.
Nova SRs used to be ten a penny-now you try and find a cheap one!
When I had my Nova i paid £400 for it and like you say try and find a cheap one nowNova SRs used to be ten a penny-now you try and find a cheap one!
Grimlock said:
When I had my Nova i paid £400 for it and like you say try and find a cheap one now
That's because there are so few of them left. Vauxhall Nova SR, there were less than 500 of them taxed in 2016. Keeping it on the road for for the last 10 years would have cost you more than you gained.Cars very rarely appreciate and it's difficult to predict. So if you want something that might be worth something in a few years you're better off putting the money in the stock market as that is far less of a gamble.
Buy a car for the enjoyment, if you buy one as an investment you'll constantly be fussing over it worried that any speck of dust will affect your ROI.
Car-Matt said:
I dont agree, i think the numbers need to be limited for them to be worth real money, the Mk2 Focus ST is out there in such huge numbers it may remain popular with enthusiasts but it wont go up in value hugely like the Halo model RS
The Mk6 Fiesta ST150 is similarly out there in big numbers and largely unloved, jurys out on whether that will rise in time
You are wrong. The ST is like a modern XR. There used to be an XR2 on almost every street in the country, now they are rare and a friend just sold one for £6k. I remember when they were £400, now a mint low miler mk1 will cost >£10k.The Mk6 Fiesta ST150 is similarly out there in big numbers and largely unloved, jurys out on whether that will rise in time
Likewise try finding a decent XR3i. They are now thousands, not hundreds. These were also everywhere and not sold in limited numbers.
The RS model Fords have indeed rocketed and will continue to do so but the XR models are not far behind and soon the ST models will be in a similar position.
Edited by Ahbefive on Wednesday 17th January 13:38
As already mentioned, a Mk5 Fiesta ZS without too much rust will be hard to come by. And Mk6/7 ST's have sold by the bucketful so there are too many around for values to go crazy.
The availability of cheap finance means the market is awash with so many more performance models than in the past. Very few (if any) cars from the last 10-15 years will become future classics because there are too many around for them to be rare/exclusive. Something like a Sierra Cosworth has become a classic because only a couple of thousand were ever sold in the UK. Ford probably shifted more Focus RS's than that in the last 6 months alone.
Combine that with the fact that modern cars are far more complex means it will be harder for your average enthusiast to keep it on the road using just the tools in their garage, demand just won't be the same.
Of course, it's just my opinion and I may well be wrong...
The availability of cheap finance means the market is awash with so many more performance models than in the past. Very few (if any) cars from the last 10-15 years will become future classics because there are too many around for them to be rare/exclusive. Something like a Sierra Cosworth has become a classic because only a couple of thousand were ever sold in the UK. Ford probably shifted more Focus RS's than that in the last 6 months alone.
Combine that with the fact that modern cars are far more complex means it will be harder for your average enthusiast to keep it on the road using just the tools in their garage, demand just won't be the same.
Of course, it's just my opinion and I may well be wrong...
captain_cynic said:
Buy a car for the enjoyment, if you buy one as an investment you'll constantly be fussing over it worried that any speck of dust will affect your ROI.
That is my main priority is to have a boat load of fun in it hence the want for it being a track car and if by some sheer luck that I haven't wrote it off over the years and it become worth a few bob if some money was put in to then I may do so but want a fun limited fund toy as first priority Zetec-S said:
And Mk6/7 ST's have sold by the bucketful so there are too many around for values to go crazy.
The availability of cheap finance means the market is awash with so many more performance models than in the past. Very few (if any) cars from the last 10-15 years will become future classics because there are too many around for them to be rare/exclusive. Something like a Sierra Cosworth has become a classic because only a couple of thousand were ever sold in the UK. Ford probably shifted more Focus RS's than that in the last 6 months alone.
Of course, it's just my opinion and I may well be wrong...
Your opinion is indeed also wrong. Things being popular and even common once upon a time does not mean that their value will not rocket. They do not stay common forever.The availability of cheap finance means the market is awash with so many more performance models than in the past. Very few (if any) cars from the last 10-15 years will become future classics because there are too many around for them to be rare/exclusive. Something like a Sierra Cosworth has become a classic because only a couple of thousand were ever sold in the UK. Ford probably shifted more Focus RS's than that in the last 6 months alone.
Of course, it's just my opinion and I may well be wrong...
Look at a mint 205 GTi or XR2, these used to be absolutely everywhere, now they are usually only seen at car shows.
I'll just leave these here:
In fact it seems that there were 97000 XR2s (35k Focus STs including mk2 and mk3.) :
Edited by Ahbefive on Wednesday 17th January 13:59
Fiat Grande Punto Abarth I think as they're much rarer than the 500 Abarth.
Not sure about the Fiat Bravo HGT as I look at the Tipo 16V which hasn't really shot up in price but it could be a different story in 5 years. Saying that, the Strada Abarth 130TC is yoyo-ing in price.
Any Golf R will increase but I reckon the current shape Scirocco will head high in price.
Not sure about the Fiat Bravo HGT as I look at the Tipo 16V which hasn't really shot up in price but it could be a different story in 5 years. Saying that, the Strada Abarth 130TC is yoyo-ing in price.
Any Golf R will increase but I reckon the current shape Scirocco will head high in price.
Ahbefive said:
Car-Matt said:
I dont agree, i think the numbers need to be limited for them to be worth real money, the Mk2 Focus ST is out there in such huge numbers it may remain popular with enthusiasts but it wont go up in value hugely like the Halo model RS
The Mk6 Fiesta ST150 is similarly out there in big numbers and largely unloved, jurys out on whether that will rise in time
You are wrong. The ST is like a modern XR. There used to be an XR2 on almost every street in the country, now they are rare and a friend just sold one for £6k. I remember when they were £400, now a mint low miler mk1 will cost >£10k.The Mk6 Fiesta ST150 is similarly out there in big numbers and largely unloved, jurys out on whether that will rise in time
Likewise try finding a decent XR3i. They are now thousands, not hundreds. These were also everywhere and not sold in limited numbers.
The RS model Fords have indeed rocketed and will continue to do so but the XR models are not far behind and soon the ST models will be in a similar position.
Edited by Ahbefive on Wednesday 17th January 13:38
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