Unlimited Holidays...Introduced, any experience?
Discussion
Just wondering if anyone has any experience as our MD is introducing it for a trial for 6 months.
It does have KPI's attached of monthly averages and overall quarterly targets to be kept otherwise we drop back to our normal annual allowance of 25 days plus a day for every year worked.
Has it worked well or not?
It does have KPI's attached of monthly averages and overall quarterly targets to be kept otherwise we drop back to our normal annual allowance of 25 days plus a day for every year worked.
Has it worked well or not?
Essentially yes (some elements of Virgin and a few others have introduced it with good results, but I am yet to know anyone that actually has it and get their "personal" thoughts).
There is some minor details like no more than 10 days in single request and it can still be refused for operational business reasons.
There is some minor details like no more than 10 days in single request and it can still be refused for operational business reasons.
friend at virgin has it
he has said no to something i asked him to do before, as he'd taken / was planning to take leave already just before or after (can't remember exactly!)
basically, I got the impression it wasn't abused, but then I imagine that they employ a certain type of person there, who wouldn't. If tesco introduced it, I don't think it would work
he has said no to something i asked him to do before, as he'd taken / was planning to take leave already just before or after (can't remember exactly!)
basically, I got the impression it wasn't abused, but then I imagine that they employ a certain type of person there, who wouldn't. If tesco introduced it, I don't think it would work
I can see how this would mean people, conversely, take less holiday. In my example...
We get 25 days plus bank holidays and it's a case of using the leave in the calendar year or losing them i.e. you're not allowed to 'save' holiday for the next year.
Because I get given 25 days, I use them. Not because I particularly want or need to take 25 days' holiday but because that's the allowance I'm given. I typically take 2 weeks in the summer, a couple of random days throughout the year and then, in order to ensure I use my allowance, I usually take 2 weeks in December (in addition to Christmas) even though I'll still often be online during this period.
If I had "unlimited" holiday, I'd take 2 weeks in the summer (10 days), a week and a bit at Christmas (7 days) and a couple of random days throughout the year for last minute things. So I reckon a total of 19 days or so.
We get 25 days plus bank holidays and it's a case of using the leave in the calendar year or losing them i.e. you're not allowed to 'save' holiday for the next year.
Because I get given 25 days, I use them. Not because I particularly want or need to take 25 days' holiday but because that's the allowance I'm given. I typically take 2 weeks in the summer, a couple of random days throughout the year and then, in order to ensure I use my allowance, I usually take 2 weeks in December (in addition to Christmas) even though I'll still often be online during this period.
If I had "unlimited" holiday, I'd take 2 weeks in the summer (10 days), a week and a bit at Christmas (7 days) and a couple of random days throughout the year for last minute things. So I reckon a total of 19 days or so.
Company I work for implemented for my US colleagues, they liked it as they only got ~10 days a year before.
It is mooted to be rolled out to the UK offices now, however I'm not keen as I would like to take 30 to 35 days plus bank holidays (currently get 27.5 days plus bank holidays) but it would worry me about how that would be perceived across the company. From what I have seen of the studies performed on unlimited holiday people take less, thus I wonder if there is an element of competition.
A previous company I worked at let you buy up to another 7 days holiday (minus any you had earned for long service) for the raw cost of the day from your wages (salary / (40/((52-number of days base holiday allowance)/5) I felt this was much better as you'd actually paid for the days so didn't feel guilty about taking them off, so I used to buy all 7 extra.
It is mooted to be rolled out to the UK offices now, however I'm not keen as I would like to take 30 to 35 days plus bank holidays (currently get 27.5 days plus bank holidays) but it would worry me about how that would be perceived across the company. From what I have seen of the studies performed on unlimited holiday people take less, thus I wonder if there is an element of competition.
A previous company I worked at let you buy up to another 7 days holiday (minus any you had earned for long service) for the raw cost of the day from your wages (salary / (40/((52-number of days base holiday allowance)/5) I felt this was much better as you'd actually paid for the days so didn't feel guilty about taking them off, so I used to buy all 7 extra.
I don't like the sound of this. I know Virgin have implemented it.
It just means if you're a manager or a critical role, you end up taking less time off. It's nothing to do with giving power to employees in my opinion.
Numbers don't lie. If all team members have the same number, you are all treated equally. Does your wage go up if you take less days off? Managers will simply pile on more work, thereby forcing you to work more. You can't use the line, "but i've got holidays booked and I only have X months left to use them all." You'll just be told you should have managed them better.
It just means if you're a manager or a critical role, you end up taking less time off. It's nothing to do with giving power to employees in my opinion.
Numbers don't lie. If all team members have the same number, you are all treated equally. Does your wage go up if you take less days off? Managers will simply pile on more work, thereby forcing you to work more. You can't use the line, "but i've got holidays booked and I only have X months left to use them all." You'll just be told you should have managed them better.
Foliage said:
mcg_ said:
Foliage said:
I already get 55 days holiday a year...
My targets would have to be insane or Id never be at work..
expand on how you have 55.....My targets would have to be insane or Id never be at work..
I get unlimited holidays.
The idea is we fit holidays in around projects, or put the holidays in first and try to fit the projects around them.
I took around 25-30 days plus public holidays last year, so no different to most people.
One of the guys buggered off to Bali at the start of Jan and he’s doing a bit of remote work but mostly holidaying until mid-Feb as he’s got a quiet start to the year.
Seems to work ok for us.
The idea is we fit holidays in around projects, or put the holidays in first and try to fit the projects around them.
I took around 25-30 days plus public holidays last year, so no different to most people.
One of the guys buggered off to Bali at the start of Jan and he’s doing a bit of remote work but mostly holidaying until mid-Feb as he’s got a quiet start to the year.
Seems to work ok for us.
PorkInsider said:
I get unlimited holidays.
The idea is we fit holidays in around projects, or put the holidays in first and try to fit the projects around them.
I took around 25-30 days plus public holidays last year, so no different to most people.
One of the guys buggered off to Bali at the start of Jan and he’s doing a bit of remote work but mostly holidaying until mid-Feb as he’s got a quiet start to the year.
Seems to work ok for us.
Do you get tracked on your billable time? If you do, does that include or exclude holiday time taken like this?The idea is we fit holidays in around projects, or put the holidays in first and try to fit the projects around them.
I took around 25-30 days plus public holidays last year, so no different to most people.
One of the guys buggered off to Bali at the start of Jan and he’s doing a bit of remote work but mostly holidaying until mid-Feb as he’s got a quiet start to the year.
Seems to work ok for us.
As most places I've worked (including my current) expect a 80% min, one place that included time spent on holiday (so is hard to hit with 40 billable hours a week), but most of the others excluded holiday time. Obviously if they exclude it, then whats to stop you just taking all that time off as there is no penalty?
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