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trickywoo said:
The risk of engine vibes is the only thing that would put me off.
Seems to affect all BMs with this engine. The S1000 I rode had a massive buzz through the right foot peg at certain revs which would have driven me mental long term.
I have a 2017 S1000R, it doesn't affect my bike.Seems to affect all BMs with this engine. The S1000 I rode had a massive buzz through the right foot peg at certain revs which would have driven me mental long term.
Go to your local BMW dealer and ride one, lovely machines.
A friend of my dad had issues with vibration through the bars on his S1000XR which affected him most on a large trip round Germany and Holland. I think he ended up returning the bike to BMW. A shame as it was supposed to be pretty fast.
The S1000R is still my dream bike, vibration white finger be damned.
The S1000R is still my dream bike, vibration white finger be damned.
Really wanted to love the XR. Even bought S1000XR.com lol! The test ride was one of the biggest disappointments. It is an S1000RR on stilts. The handling/chassis is mismatched to the nature of the engine. Touring at 12k rpm? Er, no thanks. Touring with your nuts wedged to the tank in the deeply sculpted seat? Er, no thanks. Sportsbike riding with the pogo-ing tall suspension? Er, no thanks. Great idea, bad execution imho. It’s neither fish nor fowl.
I have a 2017 S1000R and have never had any issue with vibration through the bars or pegs.
I believe the vibrations were addressed on the 2017 model, so they may affect the older models, but I've never ridden one of them so couldn't say one way or the other.
Seriously don't discount the bike because the internet says they vibrate worse than a single mothers bedside drawer. Get yourself an extended test ride and try the bike yourself.
I believe the vibrations were addressed on the 2017 model, so they may affect the older models, but I've never ridden one of them so couldn't say one way or the other.
Seriously don't discount the bike because the internet says they vibrate worse than a single mothers bedside drawer. Get yourself an extended test ride and try the bike yourself.
I've only done a very short ride of a mate's bike so can't really offer any real review, but some definitely do vibrate. It's not an internet only phenomena. My mate just gets on with it though, and some people do whinge too bloody much, so who knows.
"Fish nor fowl", is an interesting point. I mean the S1000R should be, but I suspect isn't, the elephant in the room when anyone is considering the XR.
Genuine question, what is exactly is the target market of the XR? People who want the S1000R, but want to face additional dynamic challenges of carrying 165bhp through the bends, because they want to be slightly comfier?
I mean, I do think it's a smart bike, but it does look a little like an answer to a question that nobody asked. Which is fairly typical of German motoring companies at the moment...
"Fish nor fowl", is an interesting point. I mean the S1000R should be, but I suspect isn't, the elephant in the room when anyone is considering the XR.
Genuine question, what is exactly is the target market of the XR? People who want the S1000R, but want to face additional dynamic challenges of carrying 165bhp through the bends, because they want to be slightly comfier?
I mean, I do think it's a smart bike, but it does look a little like an answer to a question that nobody asked. Which is fairly typical of German motoring companies at the moment...
Prof Prolapse said:
I've only done a very short ride of a mate's bike so can't really offer any real review, but some definitely do vibrate. It's not an internet only phenomena. My mate just gets on with it though, and some people do whinge too bloody much, so who knows.
"Fish nor fowl", is an interesting point. I mean the S1000R should be, but I suspect isn't, the elephant in the room when anyone is considering the XR.
Genuine question, what is exactly is the target market of the XR? People who want the S1000R, but want to face additional dynamic challenges of carrying 165bhp through the bends, because they want to be slightly comfier?
I mean, I do think it's a smart bike, but it does look a little like an answer to a question that nobody asked. Which is fairly typical of German motoring companies at the moment...
Are you being serious, its a sports tourer, just like to Multistrada, 1290GT, MT10 Tourer, etc. Are those solutions looking for a question as well?"Fish nor fowl", is an interesting point. I mean the S1000R should be, but I suspect isn't, the elephant in the room when anyone is considering the XR.
Genuine question, what is exactly is the target market of the XR? People who want the S1000R, but want to face additional dynamic challenges of carrying 165bhp through the bends, because they want to be slightly comfier?
I mean, I do think it's a smart bike, but it does look a little like an answer to a question that nobody asked. Which is fairly typical of German motoring companies at the moment...
YouWhat said:
Are you being serious, its a sports tourer, just like to Multistrada, 1290GT, MT10 Tourer, etc. Are those solutions looking for a question as well?
I never said I didn't understand the market segment (although actually I am undecided about it), my point was within the BMW brand the bike choice is an interesting one. That's why I said the S1000R is the elephant in the room. The MT-10 tourer you mention illustrates my point, it is "just" an MT-10 with a screen and panniers. The same could easily be done with the S1000R, rather than BMW creating a new bike, but here instead we have the XR.
The S1000R is an accomplished bike and well suited to the roads. I am still (genuinely) curious as to what the perceived advantage the S1000XR has over it, especially given the compromises of any "adventure" type bike. "Because sports-tourer" isn't really a very satisfying answer to that.
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Monday 29th January 10:28
Prof Prolapse said:
The S1000R is an accomplished bike and well suited to the roads. I am still (genuinely) curious as to what the perceived advantage the S1000XR has over it, especially given the compromises of any "adventure" type bike. "Because sports-tourer" isn't really a very satisfying answer to that.
Touring 2 up for 2 weeks would be impossible and not enjoyable on a single R. On the XR it's a treat! Edited by Prof Prolapse on Monday 29th January 10:28
Prof Prolapse said:
YouWhat said:
Are you being serious, its a sports tourer, just like to Multistrada, 1290GT, MT10 Tourer, etc. Are those solutions looking for a question as well?
I never said I didn't understand the market segment (although actually I am undecided about it), my point was within the BMW brand the bike choice is an interesting one. That's why I said the S1000R is the elephant in the room. The MT-10 tourer you mention illustrates my point, it is "just" an MT-10 with a screen and panniers. The same could easily be done with the S1000R, rather than BMW creating a new bike, but here instead we have the XR.
The S1000R is an accomplished bike and well suited to the roads. I am still (genuinely) curious as to what the perceived advantage the S1000XR has over it, especially given the compromises of any "adventure" type bike.
Box 1
A sports tourer (because that's what BMW have produced for the last 70 years) with a spec that “appeals” to a customer base raised on UJMs that can sit alongside the boxer engined bikes.
Box 2
It needs chain drive and “traditional” forks as UJM customers don’t like different. It also needs to be nearer sports bike weight as the K1600 covers the mega-tourer class.
Box 3
It has to use existing components to support the move to modularisation and be powerful/torquey enough to play in the “big boys league” so it has to be powered by the S1000 motor.
Box 4
On the continent, the market leaders in sports touring bikes are the adventure bikes so it needs to be adventure bike styled.
Throw all of those together and you get the S1000XR. I solution looking for a problem!
Edit to fix quoting.
Edited by black-k1 on Monday 29th January 12:25
That's just "because sports-tourer" , with bells on really isn't it? Consumers should have driven the diversity in the BMW products, why they would want this product given the credible alternatives in BMW's range, remains what I'm curious about.
I think things like, as above, it allows you to ride two up, makes sense, but the that does seem quite a niche.
I think spareparts may have a point personally.
I think things like, as above, it allows you to ride two up, makes sense, but the that does seem quite a niche.
I think spareparts may have a point personally.
I've had one for a couple of years now and in my opinion there is no better bike to get you to the Alps in relative comfort that can then behave like a hooligan when you get there.
I love the noise, the engine, the quick shifter and the suspension is excellent. Compliant yet firm and positive.
Done a couple of track days and whilst a full on sports bike would be better the XR is certainly a capable bit of kit and just as much fun. Baron Von grumble did a XR track day video that's worth a look.
There's not a bike on the market I'd swap it for at the moment. Over the years I've owned 30 odd bikes (sports, tourers, GS's, naked the lot) and its' the best I've ever had
As for the vibes. Mine had a few but were completely eliminated with the addition of heavier bar end weights. Anyone that did have a problem were given a free fix from BMW but I've never bothered.
I love the noise, the engine, the quick shifter and the suspension is excellent. Compliant yet firm and positive.
Done a couple of track days and whilst a full on sports bike would be better the XR is certainly a capable bit of kit and just as much fun. Baron Von grumble did a XR track day video that's worth a look.
There's not a bike on the market I'd swap it for at the moment. Over the years I've owned 30 odd bikes (sports, tourers, GS's, naked the lot) and its' the best I've ever had
As for the vibes. Mine had a few but were completely eliminated with the addition of heavier bar end weights. Anyone that did have a problem were given a free fix from BMW but I've never bothered.
Edited by Harry H on Monday 29th January 12:47
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