Fraudster Alert & Advice Please
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Not posted for a while as I've been pretty busy. Something happened this weekend that is really grinding my gears so I thought I'd warn others and ask for advice.
My sons friend is very nearly 17 years old has been on the lookout for a bike that he's been saving for (almost a year of saving). Found this on Ebay. Got all glarey eyed and messaged the seller about paying the full whack before the auction ended (at the time it was £1400). The seller doesn't give an option to pay through Ebay and entices him into paying the full whack, they're messaging via mobile phone also. So he paid before even seeing the bike, he has a few issues and obviously trusted for what in his mind was a legitimate ad.
He'd arranged to see the bike in Alderly Hedge, a nice posh area. It was a bit of an awkward place for my son and his friend to go and view so I took them in the car. When we got there obviously the bloke didn't return calls/texts. I went back on Ebay and realised the ad was back up and running so I messaged him asking if he'd take £1300 which he replied instantly saying yes sure. Suspicions confirmed.
So, phoning the bank for an indemndancy payment but it'd gone though a payment method/company called Pre Pay Technologies and therefor could be claimed back. Phoned Ebay and explained but they seemed more bothered that a 16 year old created an account and washed their hands with it as it was to be purchased outside of Ebay. Then went to the police station and they just gave us a leaflet and said naa it happens too often for them to bother and to just register it on there website.
Ebay are useless. I've told about the situation twice, there are obviously many many other complaints about this guy but they just don't seem interested other than saying yeah we'll investigate it. Ebay have removed all messages between the kid and the seller. The police aren't interested because he didn't 2 mph faster than the speed limit.
Doing my own Googling and PI stuff I've come to a blank. The below details is what I've found out. This must be making a fortune, it seems pretty flawless providing Ebay and the police don't really follow up seriously.
I feel so sorry for the lad. If anyone can shed some light or knows any way to access address details via Ebay, Twitter or a phone number then please let me know.
Thanks.
The bank said the payment had gone to...
Mr Jones
Pre Pay Technologies
Phone number used for messaging is...
07714 655974
which is sent via an iPhone and is linked to a inactive Twitter account...
James Smith
@Jamessm93351483
His address according to Ebay is Alderley Edge, search for a James Smith Alderley Edge and a name of Mr Matthew James Smith, Inactive Hill Cottage Macclesfield Road, Alderley Edge, Cheshire, SK9 7BN comes up.
His Ebay user name is...
bellahuntaway6
Huntaway is a dog so I'm guessing Bella is the name. A search reveals an adopted dog in New Zealand.
Has also used bellahuntaway
which brings up this site (my Wife has made comments there also)...
https://who-called.co.uk/Number/07378878712
This is linked to 073788 78712 number.
My sons friend is very nearly 17 years old has been on the lookout for a bike that he's been saving for (almost a year of saving). Found this on Ebay. Got all glarey eyed and messaged the seller about paying the full whack before the auction ended (at the time it was £1400). The seller doesn't give an option to pay through Ebay and entices him into paying the full whack, they're messaging via mobile phone also. So he paid before even seeing the bike, he has a few issues and obviously trusted for what in his mind was a legitimate ad.
He'd arranged to see the bike in Alderly Hedge, a nice posh area. It was a bit of an awkward place for my son and his friend to go and view so I took them in the car. When we got there obviously the bloke didn't return calls/texts. I went back on Ebay and realised the ad was back up and running so I messaged him asking if he'd take £1300 which he replied instantly saying yes sure. Suspicions confirmed.
So, phoning the bank for an indemndancy payment but it'd gone though a payment method/company called Pre Pay Technologies and therefor could be claimed back. Phoned Ebay and explained but they seemed more bothered that a 16 year old created an account and washed their hands with it as it was to be purchased outside of Ebay. Then went to the police station and they just gave us a leaflet and said naa it happens too often for them to bother and to just register it on there website.
Ebay are useless. I've told about the situation twice, there are obviously many many other complaints about this guy but they just don't seem interested other than saying yeah we'll investigate it. Ebay have removed all messages between the kid and the seller. The police aren't interested because he didn't 2 mph faster than the speed limit.
Doing my own Googling and PI stuff I've come to a blank. The below details is what I've found out. This must be making a fortune, it seems pretty flawless providing Ebay and the police don't really follow up seriously.
I feel so sorry for the lad. If anyone can shed some light or knows any way to access address details via Ebay, Twitter or a phone number then please let me know.
Thanks.
The bank said the payment had gone to...
Mr Jones
Pre Pay Technologies
Phone number used for messaging is...
07714 655974
which is sent via an iPhone and is linked to a inactive Twitter account...
James Smith
@Jamessm93351483
His address according to Ebay is Alderley Edge, search for a James Smith Alderley Edge and a name of Mr Matthew James Smith, Inactive Hill Cottage Macclesfield Road, Alderley Edge, Cheshire, SK9 7BN comes up.
His Ebay user name is...
bellahuntaway6
Huntaway is a dog so I'm guessing Bella is the name. A search reveals an adopted dog in New Zealand.
Has also used bellahuntaway
which brings up this site (my Wife has made comments there also)...
https://who-called.co.uk/Number/07378878712
This is linked to 073788 78712 number.
The seller opened a new ebay account only 2 weeks ago and has been buying cheap tat to increase his feedback score.
I’ve emailed him asking exact address to view the bike but no response. I said I had cash waiting if the bike is as described. No response.
I think you may be proper f
ked
I’ve emailed him asking exact address to view the bike but no response. I said I had cash waiting if the bike is as described. No response.
I think you may be proper f
kedPoor lad. Not sure what you can do.
But we’ve ‘all’ been there. I bought a Cat C car (without realising) from a dodget dealer. Learnt my lesson. Perhaps not quite as expencive one.
eBay if bothered could track the IP address for the seller. Or the police could get eBay to do this. Unless they’re smart enough to hide behind a good VPN. But then again the police could still track the cell phone number and triangulate it. So maybe push the police to do something?
But we’ve ‘all’ been there. I bought a Cat C car (without realising) from a dodget dealer. Learnt my lesson. Perhaps not quite as expencive one.
eBay if bothered could track the IP address for the seller. Or the police could get eBay to do this. Unless they’re smart enough to hide behind a good VPN. But then again the police could still track the cell phone number and triangulate it. So maybe push the police to do something?
Shame 
As the lad has paid for it technically one can argue he's now advertising a stolen bike.
eBay tend to take stolen goods more seriously than general fraud IME, so I'd flag it up as stolen with them.
The listing will then presumably disappear so save it first on your PC beforehand.
As the lad has paid for it technically one can argue he's now advertising a stolen bike.
eBay tend to take stolen goods more seriously than general fraud IME, so I'd flag it up as stolen with them.
The listing will then presumably disappear so save it first on your PC beforehand.
So you have his mobile number from a company which may or may not have his location and address, and a website which will in all likelihood will have his location address, both 3G and ebay would presumably provide this as part of a police investigation, and correct me if I'm wrong, the police do not have a choice but to follow up on crimes.
Why on Earth can't the police help again?
I'd try posting on the legal forum mate. Some of them know their st in there.
Why on Earth can't the police help again?
I'd try posting on the legal forum mate. Some of them know their s
t in there.Prof Prolapse said:
So you have his mobile number from a company which may or may not have his location and address, and a website which will in all likelihood will have his location address, both 3G and ebay would presumably provide this as part of a police investigation, and correct me if I'm wrong, the police do not have a choice but to follow up on crimes.
Why on Earth can't the police help again?
I'd try posting on the legal forum mate. Some of them know their st in there.
he has purchased from jjracessupplies or something. I use them a lot for engine oil, they would have to have sent a package to an address.Why on Earth can't the police help again?
I'd try posting on the legal forum mate. Some of them know their s
t in there.The police could easily contact the seller, get the info, go round and investigate. Of course that would mean the police actually do their f
king bding job. Which is highly unlikely as they are thick as fk and 9/10 the type of people you would want with such a job. Poor lad. Not sure what you can do.
But we’ve ‘all’ been there. I bought a Cat C car (without realising) from a dodget dealer. Learnt my lesson. Perhaps not quite as expencive one.
eBay if bothered could track the IP address for the seller. Or the police could get eBay to do this. Unless they’re smart enough to hide behind a good VPN. But then again the police could still track the cell phone number and triangulate it. So maybe push the police to do something?
But we’ve ‘all’ been there. I bought a Cat C car (without realising) from a dodget dealer. Learnt my lesson. Perhaps not quite as expencive one.
eBay if bothered could track the IP address for the seller. Or the police could get eBay to do this. Unless they’re smart enough to hide behind a good VPN. But then again the police could still track the cell phone number and triangulate it. So maybe push the police to do something?
Police not interested in anything other than the motorist I'm afraid...
I run an online shop. I had a customer place an order via card, it failed. Within 10 minutes 6 further attempts all failed. But, using 7 different card numbers and names, all to same address and phone number though. I called police, they now have the address, a phone number and someone expecting parcels, they have (at least) 7 peoples card info with them.
They will call me back
That was a year and a half ago....
How easy was it for them! And they did nothing
I run an online shop. I had a customer place an order via card, it failed. Within 10 minutes 6 further attempts all failed. But, using 7 different card numbers and names, all to same address and phone number though. I called police, they now have the address, a phone number and someone expecting parcels, they have (at least) 7 peoples card info with them.
They will call me back
That was a year and a half ago....
How easy was it for them! And they did nothing
Thanks for the replies.
Ha true. TBH I outbid you all, whacked £50k bid on there yesterday. It does seem to have ended.
I'd phoned up one of the companies he'd bought from with hope they'd reveal an address or a name but obviously they just couldn't due to data protection.
Kind of at a loss at what to do now. We're waiting for the parents to give more details tonight as they're going to the police station to 'kick off' so to speak. Unfortunate I think we all know it'll fall on deaf ears. To be fair they have very limited knowledge when it comes to computers/computing so when they have to report it online seems a little unfair to expect that of people who struggle with all that.
Otherwise, I'm sure between us all we could get some sort of motorcycle fraud ring started if it's that easy lol.
Ha true. TBH I outbid you all, whacked £50k bid on there yesterday. It does seem to have ended.
MrGman said:
What annoys me equally is that no one wants to help you in this situation!
You need to find someone thatis pretty hot with computers, surely there are people out there that could find more details from just that ebay advert?
Kind of what I was hoping here tbh, it was a bit of a long shot you never know who reads these. You're right though, the lack of help and slopey shouldering is unbelievable. Quite sad.You need to find someone thatis pretty hot with computers, surely there are people out there that could find more details from just that ebay advert?
I'd phoned up one of the companies he'd bought from with hope they'd reveal an address or a name but obviously they just couldn't due to data protection.
Kind of at a loss at what to do now. We're waiting for the parents to give more details tonight as they're going to the police station to 'kick off' so to speak. Unfortunate I think we all know it'll fall on deaf ears. To be fair they have very limited knowledge when it comes to computers/computing so when they have to report it online seems a little unfair to expect that of people who struggle with all that.
Otherwise, I'm sure between us all we could get some sort of motorcycle fraud ring started if it's that easy lol.
Anyone mentioned https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/contact-us ?
Looks like this guy is at it again this time selling a red bike in Keswick https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/2010-Yamaha-YZF-R125-Red-...
Edited by orangefzr on Wednesday 14th February 15:10
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