Changing an engine vs DVLA/gov.uk
Changing an engine vs DVLA/gov.uk
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CAPP0

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20,880 posts

233 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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Borderline SP&L but there isn't an "Incompetent interfering monkeys" section.

I have two similar cars, one of which is destined to make it's last journey soon on the back of a truck due to terminal rust issues. However, the running gear is good and I want to transplant it into another vehicle I own. 3.9i from a discovery into a (currently) 3.5 V8 Defender.

My insurance company have no issues with this and simply want me to pay an extra £16 pa which seems entirely reasonable. However, I followed a link to the to the DVLA/gov.uk website and it had this to say:

gov.uk said:
Change of engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)
You need to provide either:

a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)
None of which I have. I am really going to have to pay out for some sort of inspection just so that I can keep the V5 up to date? And who do I get to do that, and what does it cost?

cmaguire

3,589 posts

139 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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CAPP0 said:
None of which I have. I am really going to have to pay out for some sort of inspection just so that I can keep the V5 up to date? And who do I get to do that, and what does it cost?
Last time I changed an engine number in a car about 8 years ago it was simply filling in section 7 on the registration document and sending it to DVLA. Why don't you just do that ? It's almost like you are trying to cause yourself grief by looking for it.

surveyor

18,691 posts

214 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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know anyone with a garage? Sounds like a beer to me....

Oilchange

9,710 posts

290 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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Based on information from your post, I'd say

Knock up a receipt for the engine:

Send to DVLA with one of their forms.

Seems legit.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

139 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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Or just fill in the V5 with the change of engine number and send it to DVLA.
Seems a lot easier.

CAPP0

Original Poster:

20,880 posts

233 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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cmaguire said:
Last time I changed an engine number in a car about 8 years ago it was simply filling in section 7 on the registration document and sending it to DVLA. Why don't you just do that ? It's almost like you are trying to cause yourself grief by looking for it.
TBH, I only went " looking for it" because I've painted the Defender and wanted to know whether I could record the colour change online. The engine swap is a plan for springtime, I mentioned it to the ins co as I've just renewed and they were fine with it. Just that it looks like DVLA won't be?

I'm a generally law-abiding(ish) sort.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

139 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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CAPP0 said:
TBH, I only went " looking for it" because I've painted the Defender and wanted to know whether I could record the colour change online. The engine swap is a plan for springtime, I mentioned it to the ins co as I've just renewed and they were fine with it. Just that it looks like DVLA won't be?

I'm a generally law-abiding(ish) sort.
Do both on the V5.
Cost you an envelope and a stamp, or two of them if you don't notify together

iDrive

443 posts

143 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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I've just done very similar - Sent a letter from a Garage (MOT Station) on Headed Paper, confirming the engine number, chassis number and registration number

When I bought the car the engine swap had already been done (the Garage above had nothing to do with it).

All sorted with DVLA within 2 weeks, no issues.

CAPP0

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20,880 posts

233 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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Hmm, hopefully my local MOT garage, who I have a very long relationship with, will help out if needed then.

CAPP0

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20,880 posts

233 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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anonymous said:
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I don't believe they will, and I'm starting to wonder!!

catso

16,464 posts

297 months

Saturday 17th February 2018
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I swapped the engine in a motorbike, did the work myself but had a hand written receipt for the new engine from the breaker that I bought it from (that in all fairness anyone could have written).

The DVLA accepted this but in my case I was increasing displacement so they would get more VED, I imagine their main concern is if you are claiming a reduction.

I would imagine an MOT garage could do some kind of certification based on engine number?

caziques

2,847 posts

198 months

Sunday 18th February 2018
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Long time ago...

Sent a V5 (as it was then) to DVLC (as it was then), changing a saloon to an estate, white to blue, and 1300 to 2000 (with engine number change) - no problem at all. How times change.

gareth_r

6,753 posts

267 months

Sunday 18th February 2018
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CAPP0 said:
Borderline SP&L but there isn't an "Incompetent interfering monkeys" section.

I have two similar cars, one of which is destined to make it's last journey soon on the back of a truck due to terminal rust issues. However, the running gear is good and I want to transplant it into another vehicle I own. 3.9i from a Discovery into a (currently) 3.5 V8 Defender.

My insurance company have no issues with this and simply want me to pay an extra £16 pa which seems entirely reasonable. However, I followed a link to the to the DVLA/gov.uk website and it had this to say:

gov.uk said:
Change of engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)
You need to provide either:
a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)
None of which I have. I am really going to have to pay out for some sort of inspection just so that I can keep the V5 up to date? And who do I get to do that, and what does it cost?
Ask the DVLA if the V5 for the Discovery is acceptable as a receipt for the Discovery engine. It's certainly acceptable as proof of engine age for the IVA test.

Edited by gareth_r on Sunday 18th February 13:31

CAPP0

Original Poster:

20,880 posts

233 months

Sunday 18th February 2018
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gareth_r said:
Ask the DVLA if the V5 for the Discovery is acceptable as a receipt for the Discovery engine. It's certainly acceptable as proof of engine age for the IVA test.

Edited by gareth_r on Sunday 18th February 13:31
Hmm, good thought, thanks!