Misdiscribing classic cars.
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Inaccurate information or just down right lies, is alive and well in the classic car market it appears.
Noted a Austin A30 van discribed as a ‘rare countryman’, it’s not it’s a van conversion.
Another Austin A30 described as a 1952 rare AS3 model, it’s not it’s a late 1953 car.
Both vehicles seem reasonable for what they are, not as discribed. Most be plenty of corkers
out there.
Noted a Austin A30 van discribed as a ‘rare countryman’, it’s not it’s a van conversion.
Another Austin A30 described as a 1952 rare AS3 model, it’s not it’s a late 1953 car.
Both vehicles seem reasonable for what they are, not as discribed. Most be plenty of corkers
out there.
crankedup said:
Inaccurate information or just down right lies, is alive and well in the classic car market it appears.
Noted a Austin A30 van discribed as a ‘rare countryman’, it’s not it’s a van conversion.
Another Austin A30 described as a 1952 rare AS3 model, it’s not it’s a late 1953 car.
Both vehicles seem reasonable for what they are, not as discribed. Most be plenty of corkers
out there.
Plenty of '60s and '70s Minis being described as a Cooper or Cooper S despite being tarted up bog standard 850s or 1000s and no mention of Cooper on the V5C. Sadly some buyers still take the vendor's word for it.Noted a Austin A30 van discribed as a ‘rare countryman’, it’s not it’s a van conversion.
Another Austin A30 described as a 1952 rare AS3 model, it’s not it’s a late 1953 car.
Both vehicles seem reasonable for what they are, not as discribed. Most be plenty of corkers
out there.
P5BNij said:
crankedup said:
Inaccurate information or just down right lies, is alive and well in the classic car market it appears.
Noted a Austin A30 van discribed as a ‘rare countryman’, it’s not it’s a van conversion.
Another Austin A30 described as a 1952 rare AS3 model, it’s not it’s a late 1953 car.
Both vehicles seem reasonable for what they are, not as discribed. Most be plenty of corkers
out there.
Plenty of '60s and '70s Minis being described as a Cooper or Cooper S despite being tarted up bog standard 850s or 1000s and no mention of Cooper on the V5C. Sadly some buyers still take the vendor's word for it.Noted a Austin A30 van discribed as a ‘rare countryman’, it’s not it’s a van conversion.
Another Austin A30 described as a 1952 rare AS3 model, it’s not it’s a late 1953 car.
Both vehicles seem reasonable for what they are, not as discribed. Most be plenty of corkers
out there.
I have contacted the A30 club to advise me and they have been extremely helpful making sure I don’t fall into a misdiscribed car. Chassis numbers and what to look for.
And ERAs - though all properly documented
It is quite strange how often one comes across people who have paid significant sums of money without properly investigating the claims made by the vendor. When the VCC had a Dating Panel and I was on it, we had several cases where we could not assign the Date claimed and the applicant seemed not to understand the concept of evidence (as the old court saying has it "what you say the soldier said isn't evidence!").
It is quite strange how often one comes across people who have paid significant sums of money without properly investigating the claims made by the vendor. When the VCC had a Dating Panel and I was on it, we had several cases where we could not assign the Date claimed and the applicant seemed not to understand the concept of evidence (as the old court saying has it "what you say the soldier said isn't evidence!").
crankedup said:
Inaccurate information or just down right lies, is alive and well in the classic car market it appears.
Noted a Austin A30 van discribed as a ‘rare countryman’, it’s not it’s a van conversion.
Another Austin A30 described as a 1952 rare AS3 model, it’s not it’s a late 1953 car.
Both vehicles seem reasonable for what they are, not as discribed. Most be plenty of corkers
out there.
You're misspelling misdescribing, its just not on.Noted a Austin A30 van discribed as a ‘rare countryman’, it’s not it’s a van conversion.
Another Austin A30 described as a 1952 rare AS3 model, it’s not it’s a late 1953 car.
Both vehicles seem reasonable for what they are, not as discribed. Most be plenty of corkers
out there.
It's the same story in the Land Rover world, firstly with Defender models labelled as the more desirable SW models when in fact they're just hard tops with windows installed.
The other one appears to be Series 3 Land Rovers having a new front end or in some cases, just a new grille. They then declare them as a Series 2, but have the cheek to say they've "upgraded" the dash to the plastic Series 3 dashboard!!!
The other one appears to be Series 3 Land Rovers having a new front end or in some cases, just a new grille. They then declare them as a Series 2, but have the cheek to say they've "upgraded" the dash to the plastic Series 3 dashboard!!!
I remember reading about Rover P6 3500 manual V8s being sold on ebay which were just converted autos, apparently the genuine manual cars have a different width transmission tunnel.
Eight years ago I went to have a look at a Mk2 Mini that was described as a genuine '69 Cooper, it was only local so I thought it was worth a shuftie. Looking round it inside and out I noticed a few things which didn't sit right - the log book said 998cc Cooper and the engine and ancillaries were spot on, but the shell and chassis number was from a Mk2 850 with a rod change gearbox, and the floor pressing is slightly different on non Cooper Minis and this one had also been bodged with later Mk4 floor pressings. It was a nice enough car though with a lot of potential but not what I was really looking for (I found another genuine Cooper a few weeks later and bought it). I pointed out the anomalies to the seller who was more of a Triumph man and admitted he didn't know much about Minis, he was very gracious about it and advertised as a Cooper as that's what the log book said it was. He happily changed the advert to reflect this and still managed to get £4k for it. Goes to show there are some honest folk out there who don't always know what they're selling, but there are hundreds of cars like this one still being touted as Coopers.
Eight years ago I went to have a look at a Mk2 Mini that was described as a genuine '69 Cooper, it was only local so I thought it was worth a shuftie. Looking round it inside and out I noticed a few things which didn't sit right - the log book said 998cc Cooper and the engine and ancillaries were spot on, but the shell and chassis number was from a Mk2 850 with a rod change gearbox, and the floor pressing is slightly different on non Cooper Minis and this one had also been bodged with later Mk4 floor pressings. It was a nice enough car though with a lot of potential but not what I was really looking for (I found another genuine Cooper a few weeks later and bought it). I pointed out the anomalies to the seller who was more of a Triumph man and admitted he didn't know much about Minis, he was very gracious about it and advertised as a Cooper as that's what the log book said it was. He happily changed the advert to reflect this and still managed to get £4k for it. Goes to show there are some honest folk out there who don't always know what they're selling, but there are hundreds of cars like this one still being touted as Coopers.
Edited by P5BNij on Wednesday 28th February 11:35
Muddle238 said:
The other one appears to be Series 3 Land Rovers having a new front end or in some cases, just a new grille. They then declare them as a Series 2, but have the cheek to say they've "upgraded" the dash to the plastic Series 3 dashboard!!!
There was a fashion for doing just the opposite in the 80's, i.e. fitting Series 3 wings and front panel to a Series 2 or earlier type 2A so as to modernise them.The most common one with Land Rovers of course is the Defender on black and white plates masquerading as a tax (and shortly MoT) exempt Series 2 or 3. Description usually reads:
Brand new coil sprung chassis, Tdi engine and box, disc brakes, interior upgrade etc. The cheek of it.
They tend to fall into two categories,
Those that know how to make a less value model appear to be a valuable or rare model .
Those just jumping on the bandwagon of classic values without a clue of what they are looking at .
The first group, the con artists, have been around for years and are located all around the world .
The second group tend to appear during each spike in values , lots were around in the loadsa money era .
Those that know how to make a less value model appear to be a valuable or rare model .
Those just jumping on the bandwagon of classic values without a clue of what they are looking at .
The first group, the con artists, have been around for years and are located all around the world .
The second group tend to appear during each spike in values , lots were around in the loadsa money era .
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