Romans and their Zagato flippers!
Romans and their Zagato flippers!
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Beefmeister

Original Poster:

16,482 posts

261 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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So after the two they've already sold it looks like Romans International have got another two Vanquish Zagatos in! Both £875,000 yikes

Cinnabar Coupe (my fave colour):



http://www.romansinternational.com/car/1590/aston-...

White Volante:



http://www.romansinternational.com/car/1589/aston-...

jonby

5,367 posts

188 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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A cynic might think they deliberately delayed marketing these two until they sold the first, to keep the supply/demand ration in their favour............

B4rnst4ble

799 posts

180 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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The coupe looks stunning not 875k stunning but stunning nevertheless
Nice to see aston have kept the tight grip on making sure the cars aren’t flipped :rollseyes: all genuine reasons for sale lol

Bincenzo

2,606 posts

210 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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I don’t think Aston have ever said they can stop people flipping. But they have said they’ll only ever do it once.

Buster73

5,636 posts

184 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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[quote=Bincenzo]I don’t think Aston have ever said they can stop people flipping. But they have said they’ll only ever do it once.[/quote

Only got to flip once , and with respect it’s like a very nice lottery win and tax free to boot.

Got to be either a substantial Aston collector or very wealthy to resist the temptation.

Not saying I agree with flipping it it’s clear for all to see why some have.

Mr.Tremlini

1,555 posts

132 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Interestingly, both cars are number 31 of 99... husband & wife flipping-team maybe?

RobDown

3,807 posts

159 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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I know some of you guys like white cars (and it looks good on a Vantage).....but which unimaginative sod put it on a Vanquish zagato Volante??? It really doesn't suit it at all (imho)

Mr.Tremlini

1,555 posts

132 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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RobDown said:
I know some of you guys like white cars (and it looks good on a Vantage).....but which unimaginative sod put it on a Vanquish zagato Volante??? It really doesn't suit it at all (imho)
Not the biggest fan of white cars myself, Morning Frost does look outstanding on an Aston though, and I actually find this Zagato quite striking in white, luckily I`m a couple of quid short or I might be tempted...

B4rnst4ble

799 posts

180 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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Bincenzo said:
I don’t think Aston have ever said they can stop people flipping. But they have said they’ll only ever do it once.
Hey binz wavey
I think the message from aston about flippers is just lip service there is no way of ever stopping it and at the end of the day they priced the car at a level they were happy with and they sold end of , if the market gets tighter they will send to anyone

HBradley

1,037 posts

212 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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Mr.Tremlini said:
RobDown said:
I know some of you guys like white cars (and it looks good on a Vantage).....but which unimaginative sod put it on a Vanquish zagato Volante??? It really doesn't suit it at all (imho)
Not the biggest fan of white cars myself, Morning Frost does look outstanding on an Aston though, and I actually find this Zagato quite striking in white, luckily I`m a couple of quid short or I might be tempted...
For me it's not the exterior colour (I love Morning Frost White), but the 'melted Caramac' interior that hurts the eyes!

IanV12VR

2,749 posts

186 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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I think if someone can shell out £1.2/3m on a pair of Zagatos then selling them for £1.8m isn’t a lottery win but is just a transaction. Perhaps not a great deal of thought went into the spec as they never intended to keep them.

As for them being both number 31 I wonder if the poor loves are having to sell these to fund their shooting brake and speedster they have on order, both number 31 of course. That’s before they flip them for an even greater profit. It was a great story to tell the dealer.

Unfortunately these very special cars are attracting a different type of buyer and I think it will be very difficult for Aston to control. Quite a few of these new owners are not passionate about Aston like many of us are but just see it as a good investment and will acquire it regardless.

It will be interesting to see what happens as these special editions come on stream in the future and if Aston can control the flippers. Hope they do.

Jon39

15,004 posts

174 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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Is it true that Ferrari only sell their Limited/Special editions, to customers who already own one or more Ferraris?
If so, they already know that the customer is unlikely to be a seller immediately after delivery.

Did Aston Martin allocate Valkyrie orders on a similar basis?




RobDown

3,807 posts

159 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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I don’t think they did Jon, I know of two soon-to-be Valkyrie Owners neither of whom owned an Aston Martin before

What annoyed me more was that the Zagato Volantes were also being offered to new-to-Aston buyers (ahead of those who were multiple Aston owners).

For balance, I think in defence of AML, some of this is the dealerships. Many of them really don’t care about flipping etc, they just want the cars sold (witness the GT8 sales conducted by a well-known West of England dealership)

AMDBSVNick

7,221 posts

193 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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A genuine question to take the matter completely "off topic"

Will our children's grandchildren have any interest in all of these current collectables????

Bobajobbob

1,599 posts

127 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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I think the "fake" scarcity of these models compromises the real and long term value personally.

Jon39

15,004 posts

174 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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AMDBSVNick said:
A genuine question to take the matter completely "off topic"

Will our children's grandchildren have any interest in all of these current collectables????

Could happen before then, Nick.

I think there is already some evidence, that many 18 year olds now just see cars as transport.
Those who maintained their own cars in the 50s, 60s and 70s, often became enthusiasts. When that generation 'no longer drive', presumably enthusiast interest in cars will diminish.

"Grandpa, when you had all the sports cars lined up in a field, what happened next?
Did you network all their screen displays?" - wink









IanV12VR

2,749 posts

186 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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AMDBSVNick said:
A genuine question to take the matter completely "off topic"

Will our children's grandchildren have any interest in all of these current collectables????
Good question Nick, my view is probably won’t even know what “to drive” was! Perhaps as pieces of art??

jarpot

41 posts

131 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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If the coupe and volante are fetching £875k, what will the shooting brake fetch in this market? a £million plus???

Jon39

15,004 posts

174 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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jarpot said:
If the coupe and volante are fetching £875k, what will the shooting brake fetch in this market? a £million plus???

Any vested interest perhaps ?



cayman-black

13,268 posts

247 months

Friday 2nd March 2018
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I love that Cinnabar coupe, what a great looking car.