Metzeler Roadtec 01 vs Sportec M7RR
Discussion
I'm trying to decide on new tyres for my commute, stuck between the two Metzelers. The two extremes for me are:
Cold mornings, patches of frost, small stones on country lane corners etc. Not much grip and could take a while for tyres to warm up. Vs very hot afternoons, +30C, humid.
About half my commute is country lanes, and the rest is motorway, both can be fairly straight (Canada) so you end up wearing the centre of the tyre down first, probably way more than in the UK. Which of the two would cope with the cold mornings, and also have a stronger centre design so wouldn't flatten off so quick?
They both get great reviews, so can't decide. I generally don't ride in the rain but can get caught out sometimes.
Cold mornings, patches of frost, small stones on country lane corners etc. Not much grip and could take a while for tyres to warm up. Vs very hot afternoons, +30C, humid.
About half my commute is country lanes, and the rest is motorway, both can be fairly straight (Canada) so you end up wearing the centre of the tyre down first, probably way more than in the UK. Which of the two would cope with the cold mornings, and also have a stronger centre design so wouldn't flatten off so quick?
They both get great reviews, so can't decide. I generally don't ride in the rain but can get caught out sometimes.
Roadtec 01.
I have both. Roadtec on my commuter and m7rr on summer fun bike. Roadtec is the only choice for commuting really. Getting incredible mileage out of them on the blackbird, 8000 or so.
M7rr are amazing, wet or dry. But you don’t need any extra performance they offer. Plus I get 3000 miles out of them. Would get a bit more if not riding hard.
In short. M7rr is fast road tyre (all condition). Roadtec 01 is sports touring tyre (all condition).
I have both. Roadtec on my commuter and m7rr on summer fun bike. Roadtec is the only choice for commuting really. Getting incredible mileage out of them on the blackbird, 8000 or so.
M7rr are amazing, wet or dry. But you don’t need any extra performance they offer. Plus I get 3000 miles out of them. Would get a bit more if not riding hard.
In short. M7rr is fast road tyre (all condition). Roadtec 01 is sports touring tyre (all condition).
Edited by 2wheelsjimmy on Friday 2nd March 08:14
I'm on the Roadtec-01's at the moment on my 821. They're ok. Anything less than 3 degrees (according to the bike's dash) and they aren't great. Not bad, they just feel a little odd.
Personally if I need another commuting tyre I'm going back to Michelin Pilot Roads. My brother swears by them and has taken them on the track with not bad results.
Personally if I need another commuting tyre I'm going back to Michelin Pilot Roads. My brother swears by them and has taken them on the track with not bad results.
The new Michelin pilot road 5 is getting very good reviews and I am tempted to try it next:
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/first-rides-te...
I currently run the Bridgestone T30 evo's which I rate highly, wet or dry, cold or warm.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/first-rides-te...
I currently run the Bridgestone T30 evo's which I rate highly, wet or dry, cold or warm.
I don't really like the look of the sipes on the front Michelin, they curl up on a few bikes I've seen them on, and heard from a couple of users they're at their best when new, and at half way they're a bit off.
I fitted M7RR's to my RSVR Factory which are nice, I don't push the bike especially hard at any time, but actually, I am going to go back to the M5 Interact for another bike I may use more in the summer (if we can call it that) then decide if to use the M7RR's again.
I've always used Pirelli, and tried the Metzeler M5 on my now sold RR7 Fireblade and they just felt nice everywhere, I know an ageing tyre now, but just because there's a new pattern out it doesn't mean all predecessors are junk. I want to be able to compare one straight after the other as best I can.
I think riding for the conditions has more relevance than sticking the very latest tyre 'design' on. The M7RR is a reassuring tyre, just doesn't feel in the summer, quite as good as the M5 as I recollect, we'll see.
Currently I'm stuck on adventure tyre choice, wanting to get off Scorpion Trails but may alter the size as well as type...............
I fitted M7RR's to my RSVR Factory which are nice, I don't push the bike especially hard at any time, but actually, I am going to go back to the M5 Interact for another bike I may use more in the summer (if we can call it that) then decide if to use the M7RR's again.
I've always used Pirelli, and tried the Metzeler M5 on my now sold RR7 Fireblade and they just felt nice everywhere, I know an ageing tyre now, but just because there's a new pattern out it doesn't mean all predecessors are junk. I want to be able to compare one straight after the other as best I can.
I think riding for the conditions has more relevance than sticking the very latest tyre 'design' on. The M7RR is a reassuring tyre, just doesn't feel in the summer, quite as good as the M5 as I recollect, we'll see.
Currently I'm stuck on adventure tyre choice, wanting to get off Scorpion Trails but may alter the size as well as type...............
CarsOrBikes said:
I don't really like the look of the sipes on the front Michelin, they curl up on a few bikes I've seen them on, and heard from a couple of users they're at their best when new, and at half way they're a bit off.
I fitted M7RR's to my RSVR Factory which are nice, I don't push the bike especially hard at any time, but actually, I am going to go back to the M5 Interact for another bike I may use more in the summer (if we can call it that) then decide if to use the M7RR's again.
I've always used Pirelli, and tried the Metzeler M5 on my now sold RR7 Fireblade and they just felt nice everywhere, I know an ageing tyre now, but just because there's a new pattern out it doesn't mean all predecessors are junk. I want to be able to compare one straight after the other as best I can.
I think riding for the conditions has more relevance than sticking the very latest tyre 'design' on. The M7RR is a reassuring tyre, just doesn't feel in the summer, quite as good as the M5 as I recollect, we'll see.
Currently I'm stuck on adventure tyre choice, wanting to get off Scorpion Trails but may alter the size as well as type...............
I used to run the M5 on my old K13 and know them well. The M5 was replaced by the Z8 (which I also ran). I have run the M7RR, and the M7RR is vastly superior in all ways. It is different in terms of construction, compound, etc. It isn't just a case of cutting new grooves.I fitted M7RR's to my RSVR Factory which are nice, I don't push the bike especially hard at any time, but actually, I am going to go back to the M5 Interact for another bike I may use more in the summer (if we can call it that) then decide if to use the M7RR's again.
I've always used Pirelli, and tried the Metzeler M5 on my now sold RR7 Fireblade and they just felt nice everywhere, I know an ageing tyre now, but just because there's a new pattern out it doesn't mean all predecessors are junk. I want to be able to compare one straight after the other as best I can.
I think riding for the conditions has more relevance than sticking the very latest tyre 'design' on. The M7RR is a reassuring tyre, just doesn't feel in the summer, quite as good as the M5 as I recollect, we'll see.
Currently I'm stuck on adventure tyre choice, wanting to get off Scorpion Trails but may alter the size as well as type...............
Adventure tyres? The original Scorpion Trails are rubbish. But the Scorpion Trail 2 is superb. I'm now on my 3rd set and have never run out of grip in wet or dry on the road, and have run them to the edges.
on some of the tyre sites the M7 is down as a sport touring tyre, and the M5 a sport/track tyre, and my 'feeling' from the Blade vs Factory are that the M5's on a nice day were really well planted, but like I say, need to try them again and I think after the current Supercorsa's are done on my F4 I'll fit some to it so I have at least another bike with the 'other' tyre on to get the feel from, only a thought at the moment
I heard the Trail 2's were night and day. My Trails are around seven years old, on a very late registered (16) Stelvio, nearly out now at 4.6k. I'm thinking Tourance Next's which people are apparent very content with, but I might go from 150 rear to 170, and 110 front to 120 and get a little more rubber touching the ground perhaps. The Stelvio was a careful choice, it looks Adventure (obviously it is) but it is a way firmer bike than all the others I found, and has attributes of a sport tourer in an Adventure shape, everything from the bars, adjustability, brakes etc. So again, a thought for now, it's in the shop for service and a last warranty check etc, so will sort some this coming week maybe if I can get some opinions and make my own mind up haha.
Thanks for your feedback, the M7RR is a well reviewed tyre almost everywhere, but it also has a consistent 'but' which is sport/track (fast road) traction where people say the rear will not hold. For me it doesn't feel so good up front, but I haven't used the bike nearly as much as I should, barely used any last year, Stelvio mostly, and that's a bit lazy.
This year I'm getting out more, I'm even going to avoid looking for another job for a little longer and get some freedom on the bikes to clear my head. I need some real air, at least if the weather turns to spring pretty soon haha. It's a very small window of opportunity! Would love right now to jump on anything and for the first time in my life clear off to warmer climbs! I'm sure Mrs CoB won't mind ;O) .......... and then he wakes from his dream haha
I heard the Trail 2's were night and day. My Trails are around seven years old, on a very late registered (16) Stelvio, nearly out now at 4.6k. I'm thinking Tourance Next's which people are apparent very content with, but I might go from 150 rear to 170, and 110 front to 120 and get a little more rubber touching the ground perhaps. The Stelvio was a careful choice, it looks Adventure (obviously it is) but it is a way firmer bike than all the others I found, and has attributes of a sport tourer in an Adventure shape, everything from the bars, adjustability, brakes etc. So again, a thought for now, it's in the shop for service and a last warranty check etc, so will sort some this coming week maybe if I can get some opinions and make my own mind up haha.
Thanks for your feedback, the M7RR is a well reviewed tyre almost everywhere, but it also has a consistent 'but' which is sport/track (fast road) traction where people say the rear will not hold. For me it doesn't feel so good up front, but I haven't used the bike nearly as much as I should, barely used any last year, Stelvio mostly, and that's a bit lazy.
This year I'm getting out more, I'm even going to avoid looking for another job for a little longer and get some freedom on the bikes to clear my head. I need some real air, at least if the weather turns to spring pretty soon haha. It's a very small window of opportunity! Would love right now to jump on anything and for the first time in my life clear off to warmer climbs! I'm sure Mrs CoB won't mind ;O) .......... and then he wakes from his dream haha
CarsOrBikes said:
Thanks for your feedback, the M7RR is a well reviewed tyre almost everywhere, but it also has a consistent 'but' which is sport/track (fast road) traction where people say the rear will not hold.
I've never heard anyone say that about the M7RR nevermind a consistent 'but'.I know there hasn't been any competition for it as such but Michael Rutter set an unofficial TT road bike lap record of nearly 122mph on those.
http://www.cambriantyres.co.uk/video-rutter-stock-...
I don't think there was any biased sponsorship angle either.
I would use a rear M7RR in about 4/5k miles on the road on a GSXR 750 not riding particularly hard so either way its not the tyre for OP.
CarsOrBikes said:
on some of the tyre sites the M7 is down as a sport touring tyre, and the M5 a sport/track tyre, and my 'feeling' from the Blade vs Factory are that the M5's on a nice day were really well planted, but like I say, need to try them again and I think after the current Supercorsa's are done on my F4 I'll fit some to it so I have at least another bike with the 'other' tyre on to get the feel from, only a thought at the moment
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Thanks for your feedback, the M7RR is a well reviewed tyre almost everywhere, but it also has a consistent 'but' which is sport/track (fast road) traction where people say the rear will not hold. For me it doesn't feel so good up front, but I haven't used the bike nearly as much as I should, barely used any last year, Stelvio mostly, and that's a bit lazy.
Not sure where you read the M7 is a sport touring tyre?! Fake news. SuperCorsas on the road in the UK are a waste unless your surname is Rea or Rutter, or it is one of the 5 days in the year that it is above 25C. M7RR not holding at the rear on the road? Again, only if your surname is Rea or Rutter......
Thanks for your feedback, the M7RR is a well reviewed tyre almost everywhere, but it also has a consistent 'but' which is sport/track (fast road) traction where people say the rear will not hold. For me it doesn't feel so good up front, but I haven't used the bike nearly as much as I should, barely used any last year, Stelvio mostly, and that's a bit lazy.
And the Stelvio is a lovely bike, but it's not going to be pushing any tyre very hard. I think as long as it's round and black...
This is going into a slightly different topic.
I'm no rutter... Not by a long shot but I can assure you there is a notable difference between the likes of a supercorsa to a m7rr in the summer on a dry day. That's the problem though, supercorsa only work when above 12 degrees, you're riding like a bit of a bell to keep the heat in and there's no damp patches
Half the year I'll run m7rr. Never had an issue with front grip although it doesn't feel as squidgy as a supercorsa up front. The rear again very good as an all rounder but I've had it slide plenty of times. I actually run my tc a bit higher now for this reason on the m7rr
Absolutely no way I'd want to push hard on track. I did at snett on my Aprilia, running 2.08s on them so moderate pace and they went greasy within a few laps. Did nurburgring on them too - same issue
I am far from the talents mentioned above but what I've said is exactly as I've found it over the last year
Below is a video showing how much the tc had to work in 6 degrees using m7rr... That never goes like that with supercorsa but you can't ride like that in those temps.
https://youtu.be/hjSrluLO17A
I'm no rutter... Not by a long shot but I can assure you there is a notable difference between the likes of a supercorsa to a m7rr in the summer on a dry day. That's the problem though, supercorsa only work when above 12 degrees, you're riding like a bit of a bell to keep the heat in and there's no damp patches
Half the year I'll run m7rr. Never had an issue with front grip although it doesn't feel as squidgy as a supercorsa up front. The rear again very good as an all rounder but I've had it slide plenty of times. I actually run my tc a bit higher now for this reason on the m7rr
Absolutely no way I'd want to push hard on track. I did at snett on my Aprilia, running 2.08s on them so moderate pace and they went greasy within a few laps. Did nurburgring on them too - same issue
I am far from the talents mentioned above but what I've said is exactly as I've found it over the last year
Below is a video showing how much the tc had to work in 6 degrees using m7rr... That never goes like that with supercorsa but you can't ride like that in those temps.
https://youtu.be/hjSrluLO17A
I can't comment on the Roadtecs, but the M7RRs are fantastic. Great grip cold, wet or warm and I get nearly 2.5k miles from a rear, which compared to 1000 miles for a rear on with Diablo Rosso Corsas (all road miles).
I've had 3 sets - 1 on the Speed triple and 2 on the Blade.
I can't see the point in anything more on the road myself, but have found the only two areas they are a little lacking - really only highlighted by the fact that they are so good everywhere else.
1. Traction at high lean and opening the throttle - less of an issue on my Speed Triple, even on track, but has been an issue on the Blade (both in fast group), but to be fair, I'm chasing down people on slicks and Racetecs/Supercorsas and getting frustrated on corner exit.
2. Item 1 becomes much more pronounced as the tyre wears. In Spain/Portugal towards the end of the trip, I could slide the rear at will in the upper mid range, cranked over. It's a lovely greasy feeling rather than an 'oh s
t' sudden slide though. Again, my Speed Triple does see this, but struggles to trouble them like the Blade does. It doesn't seem to matter if they are hot or cold - it happens the same.
This is the only area where they are inferior to my previous favourite Diablo Rosso Corsa. A small price to pay for cold weather grip, wet grip and over twice the tyre life.
I have some of the new Power RS tyres on my spare Blade wheels, which I believe are the new bench mark, but I'm not sure if they'll be as good on tyre life.
In summary - M7RR is a fantastic tyre - it's used by a lot of the racers in early stocks as tyre warmers aren't allowed and as stated, you really have to be taking the piss on a 140+bhp bike to meet it's one short fall in my view.
This was at Brands Indy on M7RRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMGieT1YMo0
I've had 3 sets - 1 on the Speed triple and 2 on the Blade.
I can't see the point in anything more on the road myself, but have found the only two areas they are a little lacking - really only highlighted by the fact that they are so good everywhere else.
1. Traction at high lean and opening the throttle - less of an issue on my Speed Triple, even on track, but has been an issue on the Blade (both in fast group), but to be fair, I'm chasing down people on slicks and Racetecs/Supercorsas and getting frustrated on corner exit.
2. Item 1 becomes much more pronounced as the tyre wears. In Spain/Portugal towards the end of the trip, I could slide the rear at will in the upper mid range, cranked over. It's a lovely greasy feeling rather than an 'oh s
t' sudden slide though. Again, my Speed Triple does see this, but struggles to trouble them like the Blade does. It doesn't seem to matter if they are hot or cold - it happens the same.This is the only area where they are inferior to my previous favourite Diablo Rosso Corsa. A small price to pay for cold weather grip, wet grip and over twice the tyre life.
I have some of the new Power RS tyres on my spare Blade wheels, which I believe are the new bench mark, but I'm not sure if they'll be as good on tyre life.
In summary - M7RR is a fantastic tyre - it's used by a lot of the racers in early stocks as tyre warmers aren't allowed and as stated, you really have to be taking the piss on a 140+bhp bike to meet it's one short fall in my view.
This was at Brands Indy on M7RRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMGieT1YMo0
anonymous said:
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No I think that's the best on the market right now for that kind of weather... Personal opinion of courseAs for track - below is my mate half way into a session at brands indy on a 600 running top end inters tail end fast group... Be won a euro track day for this and it was on m7rrs
3DP said:
I can't comment on the Roadtecs, but the M7RRs are fantastic. Great grip cold, wet or warm and I get nearly 2.5k miles from a rear, which compared to 1000 miles for a rear on with Diablo Rosso Corsas (all road miles).
I've had 3 sets - 1 on the Speed triple and 2 on the Blade.
I can't see the point in anything more on the road myself, but have found the only two areas they are a little lacking - really only highlighted by the fact that they are so good everywhere else.
1. Traction at high lean and opening the throttle - less of an issue on my Speed Triple, even on track, but has been an issue on the Blade (both in fast group), but to be fair, I'm chasing down people on slicks and Racetecs/Supercorsas and getting frustrated on corner exit.
2. Item 1 becomes much more pronounced as the tyre wears. In Spain/Portugal towards the end of the trip, I could slide the rear at will in the upper mid range, cranked over. It's a lovely greasy feeling rather than an 'oh st' sudden slide though. Again, my Speed Triple does see this, but struggles to trouble them like the Blade does. It doesn't seem to matter if they are hot or cold - it happens the same.
This is the only area where they are inferior to my previous favourite Diablo Rosso Corsa. A small price to pay for cold weather grip, wet grip and over twice the tyre life.
I have some of the new Power RS tyres on my spare Blade wheels, which I believe are the new bench mark, but I'm not sure if they'll be as good on tyre life.
In summary - M7RR is a fantastic tyre - it's used by a lot of the racers in early stocks as tyre warmers aren't allowed and as stated, you really have to be taking the piss on a 140+bhp bike to meet it's one short fall in my view.
This was at Brands Indy on M7RRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMGieT1YMo0
Just see this after my last post. For me if talking about this tyre (I know off topic) I couldn't agree more. Great until big leans getting on the power and a bike that makes bigger powerI've had 3 sets - 1 on the Speed triple and 2 on the Blade.
I can't see the point in anything more on the road myself, but have found the only two areas they are a little lacking - really only highlighted by the fact that they are so good everywhere else.
1. Traction at high lean and opening the throttle - less of an issue on my Speed Triple, even on track, but has been an issue on the Blade (both in fast group), but to be fair, I'm chasing down people on slicks and Racetecs/Supercorsas and getting frustrated on corner exit.
2. Item 1 becomes much more pronounced as the tyre wears. In Spain/Portugal towards the end of the trip, I could slide the rear at will in the upper mid range, cranked over. It's a lovely greasy feeling rather than an 'oh s
t' sudden slide though. Again, my Speed Triple does see this, but struggles to trouble them like the Blade does. It doesn't seem to matter if they are hot or cold - it happens the same.This is the only area where they are inferior to my previous favourite Diablo Rosso Corsa. A small price to pay for cold weather grip, wet grip and over twice the tyre life.
I have some of the new Power RS tyres on my spare Blade wheels, which I believe are the new bench mark, but I'm not sure if they'll be as good on tyre life.
In summary - M7RR is a fantastic tyre - it's used by a lot of the racers in early stocks as tyre warmers aren't allowed and as stated, you really have to be taking the piss on a 140+bhp bike to meet it's one short fall in my view.
This was at Brands Indy on M7RRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMGieT1YMo0
My first post should've come across more like this
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