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110.From the evidence that has been received by the Committee regarding the use of triamcinolone at Team Sky during the period under investigation, and particularly in 2012, we believe that this powerful corticosteroid was being used to prepare Bradley Wiggins, and possibly other riders supporting him, for the Tour de France. The purpose of this was not to treat medical need, but to improve his power to weight ratio ahead of the race. The application for the TUE for the triamcinolone for Bradley Wiggins, ahead of the 2012 Tour de France, also meant that he benefited from the performance enhancing properties of this drug during the race. This does not constitute a violation of the WADA code, but it does cross the ethical line that David Brailsford says he himself drew for Team Sky. In this case, and contrary to the testimony of David Brailsford in front of the Committee, we believe that drugs were being used by Team Sky, within the WADA rules, to enhance the performance of riders, and not just to treat medical need.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cms...
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cms...
The dcms report states clearly that the WADA code was not violated: no cheating.
When a team like sky spends so many hours and ££ on, e.g. wind tunnel testing to find fractions of a percent improvements by tweaking the design of the bike at the extremes of the design and use rules set down by the uci, it is only to be expected that it is taking the same approach with all the other rules too: pushing them to the absolute limit.
When a team like sky spends so many hours and ££ on, e.g. wind tunnel testing to find fractions of a percent improvements by tweaking the design of the bike at the extremes of the design and use rules set down by the uci, it is only to be expected that it is taking the same approach with all the other rules too: pushing them to the absolute limit.
ReallyReallyGood said:
Would you describe Team Sky as 'clean'?
Back around 2012 then based on the evidence available so far, yes. No failed testsGiven the questions around Froome more recently, I will wait to see the outcome of his tests before deciding
I don't think the intention of the team / Brailsford has been to cheat the rules - i.e. to fail tests
But I am absolutely 100% certain that performance enhancing medicines were routinely used up to legal levels with the intention of gaining the advantage available by doing so
Compare it to drink driving. If a driver is stopped and found to have blood alcohol levels of 79, then it is very clear she has been drinking, but she will not be convicted of the offence because the threshold for that is 80
Countdown said:
It always surprises me how many top cyclists are on asthma medication.
Not just cyclists, it seems that being a professional sportsperson and asthma go hand in hand.I have asthma and have measured the difference in my pace and ability whilst running when I've been good and taken my medication vs when I've forgotten and when I've taken an extra sneaky dose. I've also chatted to very fast (2.5 hrs for a marathon) runners who have tried a puff just to see what happens and even for them it had a noticable effect.
I see Sir Coe has conveniently not read an email and simply forwarded it on... Maybe the Sir portion for Coe and Brailsford should be removed, then they'd maybe be more on the ball.
It does seem other sports are not under the same general public scrutiny as cycling. Cycling is by no means clean, the continues positive tests prove this as clear as day. But the state sponsored doping in Russia is probably on a greater scale, yet Russian athletes could still compete at the Winter Olympics.
Someone somewhere has to say enough is enough.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2018/03/05/l...
It does seem other sports are not under the same general public scrutiny as cycling. Cycling is by no means clean, the continues positive tests prove this as clear as day. But the state sponsored doping in Russia is probably on a greater scale, yet Russian athletes could still compete at the Winter Olympics.
Someone somewhere has to say enough is enough.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2018/03/05/l...
troc said:
Countdown said:
It always surprises me how many top cyclists are on asthma medication.
Not just cyclists, it seems that being a professional sportsperson and asthma go hand in hand.I have asthma and have measured the difference in my pace and ability whilst running when I've been good and taken my medication vs when I've forgotten and when I've taken an extra sneaky dose. I've also chatted to very fast (2.5 hrs for a marathon) runners who have tried a puff just to see what happens and even for them it had a noticable effect.
I did check, Salbutamol at my dosage is ok according to the guidelines. TDF here I come ;-)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/43281807
Is it just Team GB / Sky at it or are cyclists from other countries equally as "guilty"?
Is it just Team GB / Sky at it or are cyclists from other countries equally as "guilty"?
Biker 1 said:
Rotten to the core.
As others have said, it seems to be a prerequisite to somehow be suffering from asthma in order to become a pro-cyclist. I'm also convinced that pretty much all other sports are awash with some type of 'enhancement' or another.
On that assumption, everyone is at it. As others have said, it seems to be a prerequisite to somehow be suffering from asthma in order to become a pro-cyclist. I'm also convinced that pretty much all other sports are awash with some type of 'enhancement' or another.
"A handful have classic asthma, the usually allergy-triggered constriction of the bronchial tubes that tends to begin in childhood.
Much more common in sport is exercise-induced asthma, or EIA, in which rapid and heavy breathing causes the same symptoms. The effect can be exacerbated by atmospheric conditions, which means some sportspeople tend to suffer more than others.
John Dickinson from Kent University’s school of sport & exercise sciences, a world expert on asthma in sport, tested all 33 UK-based members of the British swimming squad and found 70% had some form of asthma, against a national asthma rate of about 8% to 10%. It is believed the chlorinated atmosphere of a pool could be a factor in this.
Cycling is another sport where EIA is common – Dickinson’s test on cyclists from Team Sky found a third have the condition. Rapid inhalation of cold, dry air has been identified as a trigger of EIA. Around half of elite cross-country skiers have the condition, as does Paula Radcliffe.
While EIA can occasionally bring on have very serious symptoms, sometimes athletes do not realise they have it until they are tested. The test involves them breathing a very dry air mixture for six minutes at high ventilation, with their lung function tested before and after. The asthma-induced fall in lung function can be as much as 40%"
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/elit...
OpulentBob said:
Pro cyclists. Always end up found cheating. Filthy sport, rotten to the core. That so many laud it and fawn/fap over it is quite ridiculous. Blinkers, pure and simple.
Exactly even now you get the fan boys defending them with the usual “never tested positive “blah blah crap, this is just like the dying days of US postal.mcelliott said:
Exactly even now you get the fan boys defending them with the usual “never tested positive “blah blah crap, this is just like the dying days of US postal.
If performance enhancing drugs are allowed under the rules up to certain levels, then anyone expecting participants not to use those drugs up to those levels is, at best, naive. A positive, in this context, is a result above the proscribed limit, not just the presence of the drug in the sampleWhilst I would rather the rules said the limit is (almost) zero, I am not going to say that someone pushing the rules is automatically a bad egg
The bit that does leave a sour taste is the blatant lies told by riders / teams along the lines of never used except for medical purposes etc. Why do that? It can only ever come back and bite you.
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