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grumpy52

Original Poster:

6,050 posts

195 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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31 years ago today.
RIP.

kurt535

3,560 posts

146 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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grumpy52 said:

31 years ago today.
RIP.
+1 RIP

Composite Guru

2,497 posts

232 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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RIP to all the people that lost their lives.

My Uncle was due to get on that Ferry but was running late and missed it. Close call for him.

psgcarey

612 posts

191 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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31 years ago +1 day I was on that.

AshVX220

5,965 posts

219 months

Wednesday 7th March 2018
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psgcarey said:
31 years ago +1 day I was on that.
Must have been traumatic, couldn't have been a pleasant experience.
RIP to all those lost.

Legmaster

1,272 posts

236 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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A few years back whilst on a long motorway run, I accidently bumped into a Radio 4 programme reuniting folk involved, which is still available. I recall being a good listen (sorry if my memory is wrong!)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b013fk5s

The International Safety Management Code was born from the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster, which has probably saved very many lives in shipping since.

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

215 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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I went past that on another ferry.

ClaphamGT3

12,223 posts

272 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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In amongst many acts of heroism, the Belgian Navy excelled themselves that evening.

If I recall correctly, the assistant bosun who had not closed the bow doors died recently. That must have been a horrible guilt to live with for thirty years

grumpy52

Original Poster:

6,050 posts

195 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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A couple of those on board did acts of bravery and at least one was awarded a George Medal if I remember correctly.
Several others did heroic deeds but wouldn't talk about them at the time and many never have .

Simpo Two

92,654 posts

294 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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It reminds me of European Gateway, which capsized near Felixstowe a few years earlier: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-25446... I remember seeing it from the then-new Orwell Bridge.

The Herald disaster led to an assertion in Parliament that a fellow MP had 'sailed into the argument with his bow door open'. No doubt accurate but of course he was made to apologise.

Edited by Simpo Two on Friday 9th March 19:04

seyre1972

3,067 posts

172 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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Had to review the original files/witness statements that were held at the Embassy in Brussels before they were sent back to the Archives.

Made for a sobering/harrowing read.

heisthegaffer

4,270 posts

227 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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Did coming to rest on a sandbank save many lives I wonder?

ClaphamGT3

12,223 posts

272 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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heisthegaffer said:
Did coming to rest on a sandbank save many lives I wonder?
I would imagine that it saved nearly everyone - in deeper water she could conceivably have turned turtle and sunk almost immediately

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

196 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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There were several disaster around that era if my memory serves me. A few plane crashes, this, football issues. it seemed like it was one thing after the next.

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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AshVX220 said:
psgcarey said:
31 years ago +1 day I was on that.
Must have been traumatic, couldn't have been a pleasant experience.
Why?

MB140

5,030 posts

132 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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Badda said:
AshVX220 said:
psgcarey said:
31 years ago +1 day I was on that.
Must have been traumatic, couldn't have been a pleasant experience.
Why?
banghead


psgcarey

612 posts

191 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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MB140 said:
Badda said:
AshVX220 said:
psgcarey said:
31 years ago +1 day I was on that.
Must have been traumatic, couldn't have been a pleasant experience.
Why?
banghead
To avoid any confusion, I meant I was on it the day before. It was late as they had a problem closing the bow doors,, as it happens.

Frank7

6,619 posts

116 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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ClaphamGT3 said:
If I recall correctly, the assistant bosun who had not closed the bow doors died recently. That must have been a horrible guilt to live with for thirty years
I have absolutely no desire to minimise the bosun’s apparent dereliction of duty that evening, and I have no doubt that with the configuration of a vessel like that ferry, the doors should have definitely been closed tight, but there are some ferries where it’s not a must.
30 plus years ago, I drove an oil tanker for Burmah-Castrol, and one of the jobs that we did on a regular basis, was to “bunker” the M.V. Lion, a smaller ferry, running between Dover and Boulogne.
In order to access the oil tank filling points, it was necessary to drive into the bowels of the ship, then attach the hoses.
Due to the tight turn around times of the ferry, I would drive on to the car deck as soon as the incoming vehicles had cleared it, then, as I proceeded to discharge the various grades of oil, the vehicles bound for France were loaded around my truck, and I would go to Boulogne with the ship.
Naturally, in order to pump the oil to the ship’s tanks, the engine of my truck would be running, and lightly revving, this produced smoke and fumes from the exhaust.
To obviate the car deck being turned into a gas chamber, the rear loading vehicle doors were left half raised until maybe halfway across the Channel.
Sometimes I’d stand by the open rear doors and look down at the water, some 4 or 5 metres below, churning around.
On arrival at Boulogne, after the vehicles had cleared the car deck, I’d drive to the bow door, to be first off on return to Dover, fortunately that door was never open when the ferry was in motion.

Last Visit

3,664 posts

217 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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ClaphamGT3 said:
If I recall correctly, the assistant bosun who had not closed the bow doors died recently. That must have been a horrible guilt to live with for thirty years
Indeed.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/shock-dea...

Chrisgr31

14,275 posts

284 months

Saturday 10th March 2018
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ClaphamGT3 said:
In amongst many acts of heroism, the Belgian Navy excelled themselves that evening.

If I recall correctly, the assistant bosun who had not closed the bow doors died recently. That must have been a horrible guilt to live with for thirty years
I would not be surprised if other ferries had sailed with their bow doors open although that would have been little consolation to him