Battery charging
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Dom1961

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106 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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Hello all,
The other day, my car wouldn't start after work, tried several times but it wouldn't start. Waited an hour or so for recovery, but when I went to show them what the car was doing, it started as if nothing had happened. He said it is probably a low battery, so I borrowed a charger from a friend and charged mine up, thinking it would take overnight, but 45 minutes later, the "Full" LED was on, I was surprised but then I just reconnected the battery and thought that was that. But now thinking back, could my battery have charged that fast? It was only a 4 Amp charger? Or were the lights telling me something else, I didn't have the instructions.

Thanks
Dom

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

157 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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Describe how it wasn't starting.

Dom1961

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7 posts

106 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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When I turned the key, the radio and all other electrical came on (so wasn't completely dead) but when I turned it to ignition after the glow plug light goes off, it just did nothing,not even constant clicking or anything.
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TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

157 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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...then, later, it turned over just normally?

I think I'd be starting by looking at the ignition switch and starter motor. Easy enough to keep an eye on battery voltage, though. eBay's full of ciggy-socket voltmeters for a couple of quid.

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

140 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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No, the battery couldn't charge that quick if it was a flat good battery, if the battery is faulty it could charge that quick, get the battery tested

Dom1961

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Thursday 8th March 2018
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The only confusing thing is that I've driven it several times since and I've had no problems at all, it just runs like normal now?

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

315 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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A sticky starter solenoid could cause those symptoms. It may be aggravated by a low battery voltage or poor wiring.

If it happens again, you may find that if you hold the key in the 'cranking' position it will eventually start cranking. If it's a recurring problem and you have an opportunity to prepare for it, and don't mind getting your hands dirty, locate the starter motor and get something such as a broom handle you can tap it with while the key is held in the cranking position. This can help it break free and start working.

A faulty immobilizer could also cause similar symptoms.

Edited by GreenV8S on Thursday 8th March 11:00

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

140 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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GreenV8S said:
A sticky starter solenoid could cause those symptoms. It may be aggravated by a low battery voltage or poor wiring.

If it happens again, you may find that if you hold the key in the 'cranking' position it will eventually start cranking. If it's a recurring problem and you have an opportunity to prepare for it, and don't mind getting your hands dirty, locate the starter motor and get something such as a broom handle you can tap it with while the key is held in the cranking position. This can help it break free and start working.

A faulty immobilizer could also cause similar symptoms.

Edited by GreenV8S on Thursday 8th March 11:00
You may find that if you hold the key in the cranking position it will eventually start to melt the wiring - No offence meant but - This is not a good thing to do

tapkaJohnD

2,000 posts

235 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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Was "the other day" very recent and very cold?
A symtom of a battery that is showing its age is that it can't produce the large current that will turn the starter when cold, but can when things warm up. A way of 'warming up' the battery is to put headlights in full for a minute, then off and try again.

John

Dom1961

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Thursday 8th March 2018
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Thanks for all the suggestions, I'm going to test it with a multimeter that I've borrowed, is there anything except from the voltage itself that I should be looking for in a knackered battery?

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Mignon

1,018 posts

120 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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There are various discharge ways of testing batteries but a multimeter voltage test has allways sufficed for me IMO. 12.6 volts or more is ideal. You need to wait a bit after chargiing a battery though or put a bit of drain on it to settle it down. Immediately after charging you can see some high voltage readings which aren't really representative of its true condition.

Dom1961

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Thursday 8th March 2018
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I charged it on Tuesday, is that sufficient time for it to settle?
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Mignon

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120 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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Yes.

Dom1961

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Thursday 8th March 2018
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Just measured it, 12.64 volts, so perfectly fine! Maybe it wasn't low in the first place...

GreenV8S

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315 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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Penelope Stopit said:
You may find that if you hold the key in the cranking position it will eventually start to melt the wiring - No offence meant but - This is not a good thing to do
Nonsense.

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

140 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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Dom1961 said:
Just measured it, 12.64 volts, so perfectly fine! Maybe it wasn't low in the first place...
You could get someone to crank the engine over while you measure the voltage at the battery, measuring the battery voltage without a load on it is telling you nothing
If you do get someone to lend a hand - Make sure the cars out of gear - Measure voltage while cranking, voltage should not fall below 9.6 Volts
It would be good if you could stop the engine from firing by removing a fuel pump fuse if there is one (I don't know what model of car you have), in doing this the engine can be cranked for longer (10-15 seconds is good) and leave for 5 minutes then repeat

Penelope Stopit

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Thursday 8th March 2018
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GreenV8S said:
Penelope Stopit said:
You may find that if you hold the key in the cranking position it will eventually start to melt the wiring - No offence meant but - This is not a good thing to do
Nonsense.
Do you know the worst scenario of drawing current through a bad connection?
Bad connection is one example

"Nonesense" hey

DrDeAtH

3,704 posts

263 months

Thursday 8th March 2018
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Get the battery load tested. Your local old school car shop should be able to do this, then sell you a new battery...

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

140 months

Friday 9th March 2018
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DrDeAtH said:
Get the battery load tested. Your local old school car shop should be able to do this, then sell you a new battery...
This is the problem, too many shops seem to fail a battery so as to be able to sell a new one, I reckon a battery should only be load tested in front of the customer