Speeding vs Perverting the course of justice
Discussion
Not a great outcome for this guy. His speed wasn’t that bad either, but the penalty for his actions were quite severe.
It’s a road known to many of us on here.
Thoughts?
Mine are that his actions were stupid, but the amount of time spent investigating it is an insult given how little time isn’t spent on bike theft and the pathetic sentences handed out in many cases then too.
It’s a road known to many of us on here.
Thoughts?
Mine are that his actions were stupid, but the amount of time spent investigating it is an insult given how little time isn’t spent on bike theft and the pathetic sentences handed out in many cases then too.
News outlet said:
A 55-year-old man from Bolton has appeared at Bradford Crown Court today (Friday 16 March 2018) and pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice and exceeding the speed limit.
On Sunday 2 July 2017 at around 11.45am Geoffrey Alan Davies of Plodder Lane, Farnworth, Bolton was captured travelling at 86 miles per hour by a North Yorkshire Police camera van, whilst riding his Yamaha R1 motorbike along the B6479 at Selside near Ribblehead, a road with a 60 miles per hour limit.
Davies realised that the safety camera van had captured him travelling over the specified limit, so before he reached the van he pulled his bike over and obscured the registration plate of his motorbike by wrapping a piece of black clothing over it, in an attempt to evade prosecution and prevent the camera from recording his details.
TC Andy Forth from North Yorkshire Police Traffic Bureau undertook an extensive investigation and located and interviewed Davies. After initially denying the offence and disposing of the leathers he was wearing that day, Davies pleaded guilty to both the offence of exceeding the speed limit and perverting the course of justice.
He appeared at Bradford Crown Court and was handed a nine month prison sentence, suspended for 12 months and ordered to carry out 150 hours unpaid work.
He was also given 3 points on his licence and a £200 fine.
Speaking about the investigation and court result, TC Andy Forth said;
"Davies went to great length to evade justice – covering his number plate and disposing of his leathers, in the belief that North Yorkshire Police would not pursue the case.
If he had faced the facts and held his hands up to the speeding offence, the matter would have been dealt with swiftly and he would of received three points on his licence and faced a £100 fine and the matter would have been over.
Instead he has had to go through the criminal justice system and appear at Crown Court today, pleading guilty to charges of perverting the course of justice and exceeding the speed limit and received suspended prison sentence.
North Yorkshire Police take the matter of perverting the course of justice incredibly seriously and will always investigate incidents like these and bring the matter before the courts. To behave in this manner is simply not acceptable.“
https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/2529636/video---biker-covered-his-registration-plate-to-evade-a-speed-check/On Sunday 2 July 2017 at around 11.45am Geoffrey Alan Davies of Plodder Lane, Farnworth, Bolton was captured travelling at 86 miles per hour by a North Yorkshire Police camera van, whilst riding his Yamaha R1 motorbike along the B6479 at Selside near Ribblehead, a road with a 60 miles per hour limit.
Davies realised that the safety camera van had captured him travelling over the specified limit, so before he reached the van he pulled his bike over and obscured the registration plate of his motorbike by wrapping a piece of black clothing over it, in an attempt to evade prosecution and prevent the camera from recording his details.
TC Andy Forth from North Yorkshire Police Traffic Bureau undertook an extensive investigation and located and interviewed Davies. After initially denying the offence and disposing of the leathers he was wearing that day, Davies pleaded guilty to both the offence of exceeding the speed limit and perverting the course of justice.
He appeared at Bradford Crown Court and was handed a nine month prison sentence, suspended for 12 months and ordered to carry out 150 hours unpaid work.
He was also given 3 points on his licence and a £200 fine.
Speaking about the investigation and court result, TC Andy Forth said;
"Davies went to great length to evade justice – covering his number plate and disposing of his leathers, in the belief that North Yorkshire Police would not pursue the case.
If he had faced the facts and held his hands up to the speeding offence, the matter would have been dealt with swiftly and he would of received three points on his licence and faced a £100 fine and the matter would have been over.
Instead he has had to go through the criminal justice system and appear at Crown Court today, pleading guilty to charges of perverting the course of justice and exceeding the speed limit and received suspended prison sentence.
North Yorkshire Police take the matter of perverting the course of justice incredibly seriously and will always investigate incidents like these and bring the matter before the courts. To behave in this manner is simply not acceptable.“
A nine month suspended term, what a f
king disgrace, just shows what the fked up system in this country is capable of. Good old plod, fk all use in dealing with rising crime rates in urban areas, but absolutely awesome in bringing this 'criminal' to task. It makes me sick that I have to pay my taxes to fund them.
king disgrace, just shows what the fked up system in this country is capable of. Good old plod, fk all use in dealing with rising crime rates in urban areas, but absolutely awesome in bringing this 'criminal' to task. It makes me sick that I have to pay my taxes to fund them.He wasn't prosecuted for PCOJ, he was prosecuted for confirmiming that Mr Bumble was entirely correct, ie that the law is an ass!
Vonhosen will be along shortly to argue to the contrary.
Vonhosen will with his posts then confirm that rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools, Vonhosen most definitely being the latter...
The victim basically made the Police look stupid/useless, the police don't like to be shown as stupid/useless because if it happened too often the general public would realise that the police actually are pretty fking stupid/useless.
HTH?
Vonhosen will be along shortly to argue to the contrary.
Vonhosen will with his posts then confirm that rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools, Vonhosen most definitely being the latter...
The victim basically made the Police look stupid/useless, the police don't like to be shown as stupid/useless because if it happened too often the general public would realise that the police actually are pretty f
king stupid/useless.HTH?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP9G03QRmGA&sn...
Perhaps he should have ridden past like this...
he was a bit foolish but serious waste of police time tracking him down. I suspect anyone who has had a bike or car stolen and faced indifference from the police when reporting it will feel a bit agrieved at the effort put in to prosecute one guy speeding.
Perhaps he should have ridden past like this...
he was a bit foolish but serious waste of police time tracking him down. I suspect anyone who has had a bike or car stolen and faced indifference from the police when reporting it will feel a bit agrieved at the effort put in to prosecute one guy speeding.
Bikers are hated by great many people.
They think you are too loud even if you are with huge legal pipe doing 20mph in 3rd gear (I see their faces go all my-eardrums-will-burst and I always think „don’t worry, you will enjoy a cold motionless and silent grave, why don’t you jump in one now“).
They also lock you up when you try to lane split between cars, and they do this in a manner that endangers you and other people.
I despise these kind of people.
They think you are too loud even if you are with huge legal pipe doing 20mph in 3rd gear (I see their faces go all my-eardrums-will-burst and I always think „don’t worry, you will enjoy a cold motionless and silent grave, why don’t you jump in one now“).
They also lock you up when you try to lane split between cars, and they do this in a manner that endangers you and other people.
I despise these kind of people.
Prosecuting a lonely biker who went 20mph too fast is no efforts spared. At the same time thousands of children being raped in different British cities for decades by third world „migrant“ gangs and not only authorities/politicians/police do not give a ratsass, they cover it. Disgusting.
The only police I have understanding for are those who stopped patrolling Baltimore streets after cries of police brutality and racism and the whole city turned into crime/war zone. The rest of the police worldwide are just dogs on the leash.
The only police I have understanding for are those who stopped patrolling Baltimore streets after cries of police brutality and racism and the whole city turned into crime/war zone. The rest of the police worldwide are just dogs on the leash.
He should have had one of these https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HGE6CK1NKsA
And just snicked down two gears and pinned it
And just snicked down two gears and pinned it
NS400R said:
I have been known to stop, push bike backwards to nearest farmers entrance, turn round and disappear the way I came 
About 20 years ago I was giving my bike a full on blat (flat out between roundabouts, a 600 sportsbike ) up to third gear on single carriage roads, much to my dismay the next road I go down there were two Volvo t5's blocking the road obviously waiting for me. As soon as I saw them I instantly lost my illegal speed and rolled up to an officer waving me to stop and be told off, he informed me That he and his colleague had heard my bike about a minute before I rolled up and started saying I was going to have the book thrown at me blah blah etc, and how fast was I going ? I just said maybe 70 - 80 ? Not really sure, he told me "well you must have been doing at least 130 listening to your engine in the distance ? Ok then I said what happens now ? Long story short I got bked for about 20 minutes and had my bike crawled over for defects which there were none, my details ran through for insurance etc. They couldn't do anything because they had fk all proof to convict.... Quite the sobering sight though two police cars blocking the road like you would see on films ..... Proper sphincter tightnerEdited by orangefzr on Saturday 17th March 09:03
Guy was fined £200 and got 3 points for the speeding which seems completely understandable for 26mph above a 60 limit.
As for PCOJ, Huhne and his wife each got 8 months inside. Are there worse crimes? Well yes, but PCOJ is taken pretty seriously and it's clearly used as a deterrent to what is considered unacceptable behaviour.
Would I be tempted to do similar to this guy? Previously maybe, but this would make me think it's just not worth it, which of course is the intended message.
Sometimes an unlucky sod is used to inform wider society what is deemed acceptable. So I feel for the guy, as I am sure he didn't consider how seriously this could be treated, but the police actions are entirely predictable.
As for PCOJ, Huhne and his wife each got 8 months inside. Are there worse crimes? Well yes, but PCOJ is taken pretty seriously and it's clearly used as a deterrent to what is considered unacceptable behaviour.
Would I be tempted to do similar to this guy? Previously maybe, but this would make me think it's just not worth it, which of course is the intended message.
Sometimes an unlucky sod is used to inform wider society what is deemed acceptable. So I feel for the guy, as I am sure he didn't consider how seriously this could be treated, but the police actions are entirely predictable.
Thought they just had to have a continuous piece of evidence, so if he'd just stopped and 'adjusted his chain' for 20 minutes and started out again there'd be no certain proof it was him IMO.
I suspect they took the number plate covering as a challenge to authority - which really presses their buttons, I wonder if he'd not confessed and denied everything what he'd have got?
Blowing away random countries, killing millions for no reason, stealing thousands of pensions and jobs (Philip Green etc.), our government fking loves that.
Here was a 'crime' (rule infringement) without a victim and he gets a proper investigation, court time and a sentence of nine months? Isn't that almost what the acid attackers got? Meanwhile the Carillion board get nothing.
Sometimes I feel we all live in George Orwell's farm as the less equals.
Take care out there, probably best to do a slow pass of any area FIRST so you can see if it's safe, no need to make it easy for the official Dick Turpin franchise.
And dress warm, it's cold out there
I suspect they took the number plate covering as a challenge to authority - which really presses their buttons, I wonder if he'd not confessed and denied everything what he'd have got?
Blowing away random countries, killing millions for no reason, stealing thousands of pensions and jobs (Philip Green etc.), our government f
king loves that.Here was a 'crime' (rule infringement) without a victim and he gets a proper investigation, court time and a sentence of nine months? Isn't that almost what the acid attackers got? Meanwhile the Carillion board get nothing.
Sometimes I feel we all live in George Orwell's farm as the less equals.
Take care out there, probably best to do a slow pass of any area FIRST so you can see if it's safe, no need to make it easy for the official Dick Turpin franchise.
And dress warm, it's cold out there
mudster said:
Guy was fined £200 and got 3 points for the speeding which seems completely understandable for 26mph above a 60 limit.
As for PCOJ, Huhne and his wife each got 8 months inside. Are there worse crimes? Well yes, but PCOJ is taken pretty seriously and it's clearly used as a deterrent to what is considered unacceptable behaviour.
Would I be tempted to do similar to this guy? Previously maybe, but this would make me think it's just not worth it, which of course is the intended message.
Sometimes an unlucky sod is used to inform wider society what is deemed acceptable. So I feel for the guy, as I am sure he didn't consider how seriously this could be treated, but the police actions are entirely predictable.
As for PCOJ, Huhne and his wife each got 8 months inside. Are there worse crimes? Well yes, but PCOJ is taken pretty seriously and it's clearly used as a deterrent to what is considered unacceptable behaviour.
Would I be tempted to do similar to this guy? Previously maybe, but this would make me think it's just not worth it, which of course is the intended message.
Sometimes an unlucky sod is used to inform wider society what is deemed acceptable. So I feel for the guy, as I am sure he didn't consider how seriously this could be treated, but the police actions are entirely predictable.
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