RUF 993 "C2S" on 911&PW classifieds
Discussion
This car is for sale on the 911 & PW classifieds:
www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_world/pwoclass1.html
(centre column short way down).
I've spoken to the vendor I'm going to see it tomorrow. Its not actually a Carrera S (too early) but rather a highly specified "CS-like" C2 with some RUF enhancements (mainly suspension and minor engine tweaks as far as I could gather).
So my questions are: what value do the RUF enhancements (and the overall spec.) add, as it would be pretty pricey for a stock LHD C2; and secondly how can I verify exactly what was done by RUF? I understand all the documentation is present.
Any advice gratefully received.
Dan
(of course if I were to buy this the 944 s/c plans would go out of the window ...)
www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_world/pwoclass1.html
(centre column short way down).
I've spoken to the vendor I'm going to see it tomorrow. Its not actually a Carrera S (too early) but rather a highly specified "CS-like" C2 with some RUF enhancements (mainly suspension and minor engine tweaks as far as I could gather).
So my questions are: what value do the RUF enhancements (and the overall spec.) add, as it would be pretty pricey for a stock LHD C2; and secondly how can I verify exactly what was done by RUF? I understand all the documentation is present.
Any advice gratefully received.
Dan
(of course if I were to buy this the 944 s/c plans would go out of the window ...)
Clicked stright away that it was too early to be a C2S,
The thing is the S is the wider Turbo bodied, in 2wd form...so why say it is ....if it isn't??
A C2 is gloriously narrow bodied.
Check the documentation you are shown then call Ruf..
Not over impressed from what I have seen so far, The best Ruf's seem to be blown a few interior additions do not add up to much in the value stakes.
The thing is the S is the wider Turbo bodied, in 2wd form...so why say it is ....if it isn't??
A C2 is gloriously narrow bodied.
Check the documentation you are shown then call Ruf..
Not over impressed from what I have seen so far, The best Ruf's seem to be blown a few interior additions do not add up to much in the value stakes.
I drove one ages back- clicky-
www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=5361
That one was lovely & at the time (2002) a 79k miles car with the mods was well worth £23k- unsuprisingly it got snapped up very quickly
Really at the end of the day unless its some special edition super dooper Ruf engine which is unlikely, its gunna be the same as a chipped C2 of the same yr & pos has diferent dampers & shocks (tho the 911&P/W ad doesnt mention that) Tho the Ruf connection adds a lot of status to some folks- even if a trifle misplaced if its just a Ruf chip!
Could well be a Ruf Uk car at that yr rather than in the fatherland.
www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=5361
That one was lovely & at the time (2002) a 79k miles car with the mods was well worth £23k- unsuprisingly it got snapped up very quickly
Really at the end of the day unless its some special edition super dooper Ruf engine which is unlikely, its gunna be the same as a chipped C2 of the same yr & pos has diferent dampers & shocks (tho the 911&P/W ad doesnt mention that) Tho the Ruf connection adds a lot of status to some folks- even if a trifle misplaced if its just a Ruf chip!
Could well be a Ruf Uk car at that yr rather than in the fatherland.
iguana said:
I drove one ages back- clicky-
www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=5361
That one was lovely & at the time (2002) a 79k miles car with the mods was well worth £23k- unsuprisingly it got snapped up very quickly
Really at the end of the day unless its some special edition super dooper Ruf engine which is unlikely, its gunna be the same as a chipped C2 of the same yr & pos has diferent dampers & shocks (tho the 911&P/W ad doesnt mention that) Tho the Ruf connection adds a lot of status to some folks- even if a trifle misplaced if its just a Ruf chip!
Could well be a Ruf Uk car at that yr rather than in the fatherland.
Thanks that is very helpful.
This is almost certainly the same car - it was certainly bought from Finlay Gorham, and having just done the conversion of the km odometer reading (140k about 87k miles), the mileage adds up as well.
So it really boils down to what is it worth now?
I wouldn't pay over the odds for it - any 993 remapped at 9M should see over 300bhp anyway ?. If you want to do trackdays the brakes are worth something, but standard stoppers should be sufficient for road use. Other than that you're buying a nice steering wheel. Maybe £20K ? (just my opinion, of course) Don't forget your insurance will be much higher for a modified car. There is a very well known LHD up for £21911 on the Classifieds, this one can't be worth any more ?
>> Edited by Patrick Rennison on Sunday 24th April 16:02
>> Edited by Patrick Rennison on Sunday 24th April 16:02
OK, so saw it yesterday. Basically a very nice car with a few little niggles, and some body mods that aren't to my taste but could be reversed easily enough. It is indeed the car Iguana reviewed a while back.
The niggles: one wheel a bit chipped, needs refurbing; tyres should really be replaced (what the heck are Marshalls?); leather seats need treating.
I don't care for the turbo spoiler or the RS sills, but the originals are present, so changing back should be easy enough. Similarly the switchable exhaust seemed a bit unnecessary but the RUF stainless system was also there.
The RUF work (and there is a fair bit of it) was backed up by original bills and rolling road results.
One thing I wasn't sure about - should there be a sticker on the right inner front wing, with VIN etc.? At least one 993 I've seen did have one there, but Peter Morgan's book doesn't mention it and my untrained eye could see no sign of damage/repair. The label on the bonnet was present and all the numbers matched up.
I agree, and it won't be ... but I do feel the RUF work and the overall spec. make it a "little" above the norm.
So, next steps to organise an inspection and then take it from there.
The niggles: one wheel a bit chipped, needs refurbing; tyres should really be replaced (what the heck are Marshalls?); leather seats need treating.
I don't care for the turbo spoiler or the RS sills, but the originals are present, so changing back should be easy enough. Similarly the switchable exhaust seemed a bit unnecessary but the RUF stainless system was also there.
The RUF work (and there is a fair bit of it) was backed up by original bills and rolling road results.
One thing I wasn't sure about - should there be a sticker on the right inner front wing, with VIN etc.? At least one 993 I've seen did have one there, but Peter Morgan's book doesn't mention it and my untrained eye could see no sign of damage/repair. The label on the bonnet was present and all the numbers matched up.
Patrick Rennison said:
There is a very well known LHD up for £21911 on the Classifieds, this one can't be worth any more ?
I agree, and it won't be ... but I do feel the RUF work and the overall spec. make it a "little" above the norm.
So, next steps to organise an inspection and then take it from there.
Dan, why pay £25k for an lhd car when you can buy an rhd car for £2k less (look further up the column in the link you gave us)?
The RUF stuff must be largely cosmetic, surely?
Edited to add that I've just read Alex's review and accept that it has had some RUF tuning, but that it was also sold by Finlay Gorham for no more than £22,950 when he reviewed it in 2002 - what has caused it to "appreciate" by £2k and to also lose 1,000 miles in over 2 years???????
>> Edited by rubystone on Monday 25th April 13:02
The RUF stuff must be largely cosmetic, surely?
Edited to add that I've just read Alex's review and accept that it has had some RUF tuning, but that it was also sold by Finlay Gorham for no more than £22,950 when he reviewed it in 2002 - what has caused it to "appreciate" by £2k and to also lose 1,000 miles in over 2 years???????
>> Edited by rubystone on Monday 25th April 13:02
Dan,
Have you been able to get insurance for this? I'm interested in a Ruf BTR which Eporsch is selling, but have had great difficulty finding someone to insure it.
It may be worth checking first that premiums are not prohibitive.
If you can provide Ruf with the VIN they should give you the full build specification.
Good luck!
tat
Have you been able to get insurance for this? I'm interested in a Ruf BTR which Eporsch is selling, but have had great difficulty finding someone to insure it.
It may be worth checking first that premiums are not prohibitive.
If you can provide Ruf with the VIN they should give you the full build specification.
Good luck!
tat
rubystone said:
Dan, why pay £25k for an lhd car when you can buy an rhd car for £2k less (look further up the column in the link you gave us)?
The RUF stuff must be largely cosmetic, surely?
Edited to add that I've just read Alex's review and accept that it has had some RUF tuning, but that it was also sold by Finlay Gorham for no more than £22,950 when he reviewed it in 2002 - what has caused it to "appreciate" by £2k and to also lose 1,000 miles in over 2 years???????
I think the asking price is wishful thinking on the part of the vendor and I would not pay anything like that. I think he is hoping to see something back for the money he's spent - as I said though they aren't really desirable changes from my perspective. Without coming to final agreement we did discuss a more appropriate price.
I've also spoken to FG to get their opinion of the car.
The mileage in the ad was either a typo or a km to miles error - its actually about 87K.
Is the RHD one you refer to the silver Targa Tip? I'm looking for LHD as I really struggle with the driving position in RHD 993s (and 964s and Carrera 3.2s come to that) and I particularly want a manual coupe. But I do agree that does seem a bit of a bargain.
verysideways said:
I'm looking for LHD as I really struggle with the driving position in RHD 993s (and 964s and Carrera 3.2s come to that) and I particularly want a manual coupe.
Ditto. Don't fancy Iris Blue do you?
VS
VS, is your car still for sale? Couldn't see it in the classifieds when I looked earlier.
Dan
PS the answer to the insurance question is I haven't checked yet, but when I spoke to them about how they would react if I supercharged my 944, they were (astonishingly) fine about it. I suspect though that this car is in a different league from the BTR.
PPS Any recommendations for a PPI in Suffolk? Unfortunately its too far for Peter Morgan.
Hi Dan - if you can be bothered with the effort, I am sure that you could find a decent lhd car thru Germany - I have a contact if you want it.
As to Suffolk - Harvey Walker (ex HGW) works for Autostrasse on a part-time basis but lives in Lavenham. I am sure that he'd be willing to look at the car for you.
Well worth calling him at Autostrasse - 01376 562922.
As to Suffolk - Harvey Walker (ex HGW) works for Autostrasse on a part-time basis but lives in Lavenham. I am sure that he'd be willing to look at the car for you.
Well worth calling him at Autostrasse - 01376 562922.
Thanks for the Suffolk contact, I will give him a call.
Re. sourcing from Germany, I have been looking ocassionally on mobile.de and talking to lhdporsche.com about possibles, so far without luck. Have to say, prices in Germany do not look that favourable against the UK at the moment.
To be honest I am very much in two minds whether to go for a 993 or (over-)develop my 944. I think if this one (or poss VSs) don't work out I'll give up the 993 idea for a bit.
Re. sourcing from Germany, I have been looking ocassionally on mobile.de and talking to lhdporsche.com about possibles, so far without luck. Have to say, prices in Germany do not look that favourable against the UK at the moment.
To be honest I am very much in two minds whether to go for a 993 or (over-)develop my 944. I think if this one (or poss VSs) don't work out I'll give up the 993 idea for a bit.
Yes, I'd noticed that German prices were hardening too, but to my mind, most lhd cars brought into the UK were imported by dealers. They naturally balanced quality against price and the cars will reflect that fact. There are several dealers to whom that doesn't apply, of course.
Additionally, Germany does use the UK as a dumping ground for cars with a "history". I know of a GT3 Mk2 Clubsport that has had a pretty major shunt in Germany that I understand may well be destined for these shores soon for circa £40k - I somehow doubt that its past history will be mentioned though!
Additionally, Germany does use the UK as a dumping ground for cars with a "history". I know of a GT3 Mk2 Clubsport that has had a pretty major shunt in Germany that I understand may well be destined for these shores soon for circa £40k - I somehow doubt that its past history will be mentioned though!
I'm sure you are right that a good car could be found in Germany. But I really think you need the time to go and look for yourself and that I cannot justify.
Hang on I've checked with Mission Control and she says thats not right its because she won't let me and I have to look after the kids
Hang on I've checked with Mission Control and she says thats not right its because she won't let me and I have to look after the kids
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