Tax and no MOT........
Discussion
What's the scoop?
I have cars that are already classified as "Historic" but I'm unable to tax them because they need an MOT.
Am I too early, does it not come into play until 1st April possibly??
I will continue to MOT them but not until the salt has gone plus it'd be useful if I could keep the TAX continuous
I have cars that are already classified as "Historic" but I'm unable to tax them because they need an MOT.
Am I too early, does it not come into play until 1st April possibly??
I will continue to MOT them but not until the salt has gone plus it'd be useful if I could keep the TAX continuous
gov.uk said:
"Where vehicle keepers first apply for the historic vehicle tax class, it must be done at a Post Office. If you are declaring that your vehicle is exempt from MOT, you will need to complete a V112 declaration form, taking into consideration the substantially changed guidelines, (as defined above). Further re-licensing applications, including making subsequent declarations that the vehicle does not require an MOT, can be completed online."
This also applies to pre 1960 evhicles that are already exempt as they've changed the rules for everyone https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Edited by motorizer on Friday 23 March 11:02
I remember reading somewhere that the requirement for a plate donor to have a valid MOT certificate has been gone for some time. However the DVLA page now says that the vehicle should be able to move under its own power. And if it's not taxed, then it must have been under continuous SORN for at least five years.
vpr said:
What's the scoop?
I have cars that are already classified as "Historic" but I'm unable to tax them because they need an MOT.
Am I too early, does it not come into play until 1st April possibly??
I will continue to MOT them but not until the salt has gone plus it'd be useful if I could keep the TAX continuous
I pre-empted this. I cancelled the tax before the MOT ran out and then renewed the tax for a 12 month - free of course. I am now ready to declare both cars as VHI's on the 20th May so when the new tax is due I have no further problems.I have cars that are already classified as "Historic" but I'm unable to tax them because they need an MOT.
Am I too early, does it not come into play until 1st April possibly??
I will continue to MOT them but not until the salt has gone plus it'd be useful if I could keep the TAX continuous
One thing that may be in play here is the MOT
If you have one on the car that does not require one then I have heard the system looks for it as if it were required and uses the normal parameters
One guy I read about tried to tax into a period when the MOT would have expired but before the MOT period was done and it refused - tried again when MOT had expired and it went through
If you have one on the car that does not require one then I have heard the system looks for it as if it were required and uses the normal parameters
One guy I read about tried to tax into a period when the MOT would have expired but before the MOT period was done and it refused - tried again when MOT had expired and it went through
It would seem that DVLA have contracted out inspections now and are more likely to arrange for the car to be inspected if there has been any gap in a vehicle's taxation history.
Almost full circle, we used to have to take cars to the local licensing office for inspection prior to changing personal plates, that then seemed to stop for many years and now they've introduced this new inspection regime.
However, I agree that their website is less-than-clear but it isn't the first govt dept website I've tried to decipher which has conflicting information, depending which page you read.
Almost full circle, we used to have to take cars to the local licensing office for inspection prior to changing personal plates, that then seemed to stop for many years and now they've introduced this new inspection regime.
However, I agree that their website is less-than-clear but it isn't the first govt dept website I've tried to decipher which has conflicting information, depending which page you read.
Willhire89 said:
One thing that may be in play here is the MOT
If you have one on the car that does not require one then I have heard the system looks for it as if it were required and uses the normal parameters
One guy I read about tried to tax into a period when the MOT would have expired but before the MOT period was done and it refused - tried again when MOT had expired and it went through
I've been doing that for years. Always make sure that the MOT has at least a few weeks to run and retax your car a fortnignht before the tax expires. That way, even if the car is off the road, the tax is in place and all I have had to do is arrange the MOT. Now of course, I have a taxed car but no MOT, but a simple tick of the box on May 20th will avoid future MOTs for ever, And if the system refuses, well, all you have to do is cancel the RFL, then go back on line and tick the VHI box and retax the car. Never had a problem up until now, but of course we'll see what happens with the changes this year.If you have one on the car that does not require one then I have heard the system looks for it as if it were required and uses the normal parameters
One guy I read about tried to tax into a period when the MOT would have expired but before the MOT period was done and it refused - tried again when MOT had expired and it went through
From the link above:
"How to declare a vehicle for the 40 year MOT exemption
Vehicle keepers are required to ensure that their vehicles are taxed when used on a public road.
From 20 May 2018, at the point of taxing a vehicle, the
vehicle keeper can declare their vehicle exempt from MOT if it was constructed more than 40 years ago."
and talks of using the date from the registration document. At the moment the V112 still only has the option for pre 1960 cars, no doubt this will change in the next few weeks but what will be the wording? Will the MOT exemption run from the follwing April like the VED exemption or be from 40 years from the date on the reg doc and on say a 78 car, a car that is not yet a historic vehicle and not yet VED free??
"How to declare a vehicle for the 40 year MOT exemption
Vehicle keepers are required to ensure that their vehicles are taxed when used on a public road.
From 20 May 2018, at the point of taxing a vehicle, the
vehicle keeper can declare their vehicle exempt from MOT if it was constructed more than 40 years ago."
and talks of using the date from the registration document. At the moment the V112 still only has the option for pre 1960 cars, no doubt this will change in the next few weeks but what will be the wording? Will the MOT exemption run from the follwing April like the VED exemption or be from 40 years from the date on the reg doc and on say a 78 car, a car that is not yet a historic vehicle and not yet VED free??
mgtony said:
Will the MOT exemption run from the follwing April like the VED exemption or be from 40 years from the date on the reg doc and on say a 78 car, a car that is not yet a historic vehicle and not yet VED free??
One source I have read suggests that the intention is to bring the MOT exemption date in line with the VED exemption, if that's the case then it will work as you said above. The trouble with the internet is usually tracing down the actual source of the information - so many things are presented as facts and then spread, when they are nothing of the sort. So I guess we'll only be sure on May 20th.
Here is the DVLA statement as published by the FBHVA:-
http://www.fbhvc.co.uk/about-us/news/_article/125/...
Declaration of VHI will apply from May 2018 so in line with the VED exemption. All cars over 40 years and modified cars over 30 years old will then be MOT exempt. The statement there doesn't specify the date, but it is interesting that on the DVLA website it is registration date specific, so a car 1st registered on the 1st June 1978 will not need an MOT from the 1st June 2018. I thought it would be a rolling year, not precise date. You'll note that the 20th May 2018 is specified on this DVLA page.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-...
An interesting question is whether a vehicle already taxed but laid up with an expired MOT can be declared as a VHI on that date and therefore not be required to take an MOT. Alternatively of course, since the VED is free, one can SORN the car and then renew the tax declaring the car a VHI the next day. I guess no one knows for the moment.
Interestingly, I have just spoken to Kathryn at the DVLA who advise me that their computer system now will automatically register the car as a VHI as forty years from the original registration date click over. No declaration needed. So I went back to the DVLA site and - bingo! - under Para 5 you will find this:-
"You won’t have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle.
However, each time you tax your historic vehicle (even if you don’t pay a fee), you’ll have to declare it meets the rules for not needing an MOT".
http://www.fbhvc.co.uk/about-us/news/_article/125/...
Declaration of VHI will apply from May 2018 so in line with the VED exemption. All cars over 40 years and modified cars over 30 years old will then be MOT exempt. The statement there doesn't specify the date, but it is interesting that on the DVLA website it is registration date specific, so a car 1st registered on the 1st June 1978 will not need an MOT from the 1st June 2018. I thought it would be a rolling year, not precise date. You'll note that the 20th May 2018 is specified on this DVLA page.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-...
An interesting question is whether a vehicle already taxed but laid up with an expired MOT can be declared as a VHI on that date and therefore not be required to take an MOT. Alternatively of course, since the VED is free, one can SORN the car and then renew the tax declaring the car a VHI the next day. I guess no one knows for the moment.
Interestingly, I have just spoken to Kathryn at the DVLA who advise me that their computer system now will automatically register the car as a VHI as forty years from the original registration date click over. No declaration needed. So I went back to the DVLA site and - bingo! - under Para 5 you will find this:-
"You won’t have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle.
However, each time you tax your historic vehicle (even if you don’t pay a fee), you’ll have to declare it meets the rules for not needing an MOT".
Edited by lowdrag on Monday 26th March 12:52
droopsnoot said:
I remember reading somewhere that the requirement for a plate donor to have a valid MOT certificate has been gone for some time. However the DVLA page now says that the vehicle should be able to move under its own power. And if it's not taxed, then it must have been under continuous SORN for at least five years.
Pretty much.I know of someone with a shagged Moggy Minor that's been sitting in the bottom of their garden with moss growing on it - been there since the early 80's at least, never been SORN'd and someone said, why not sell the number plate. Owner tries to.
Computer (at DVLA) says - NO.
If the plate is worth a bunch, buy a Moggie with an MOT, switch the chassis plate, and apply for a reg transfer. Pour strawberry jam over the plate with strong neat tea, leave for a couple of weeks, and no one would guess that the plate hasn't been on that car for years. It has been done since Julius Caesar sold his chariot. Not that I would do it of course. But if you are of a certain age everyone knew about it. In those days it wasn't for the money, because the plates were worth nothing. Remember Sir Gerald Nabarro? He had NAB 1-7 on various mopeds etc.
But if the requirement for an MOT no longer applies, seemingly all that will go out of the window and he will be able to transfer, unless the transfer requirements remain the same and an MOT is necessary for the transfer.
But if the requirement for an MOT no longer applies, seemingly all that will go out of the window and he will be able to transfer, unless the transfer requirements remain the same and an MOT is necessary for the transfer.
Edited by lowdrag on Monday 26th March 15:37
According to DVLA website the current criteria for taking a number off a private vehicle :-
You must be the registered keeper and have the vehicle’s log book (V5C).
The vehicle must:
be registered with DVLA in the UK
be available for inspection
be able to move under its own power
be of a type that needs an MOT or heavy goods vehicle (HGV) test certificate
either have been taxed (or have had a SORN in place) continuously for the last 5 years
You must be the registered keeper and have the vehicle’s log book (V5C).
The vehicle must:
be registered with DVLA in the UK
be available for inspection
be able to move under its own power
be of a type that needs an MOT or heavy goods vehicle (HGV) test certificate
either have been taxed (or have had a SORN in place) continuously for the last 5 years
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