Mod 2 Failed 3 times!!!
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Hi Guys,
Sorry newbie here! Couldn't find a thread where I could ask for tips/moan so please pardon my post.
I failed my 3rd MOD 2 test today. And I am on the verge of breaking down and crying.
1st Attempt: Kingston
After a very grumpy examiner who didn't say morning, shook hands and just was generally impolite, I shat my pants once I got on the bike. Drove around pretty confidently and upon my return, he said I am not sure if you're just not confident to drive faster than 25 in 30 miles zones or scared. 7 times you drove around 25 in 30 miles zone so I'm afraid I have to fail you! He also pointed out a minor saying "I know we're in a tight residential zone where cars are parked close to each other and I know you're trying to keep safe distance on your left from the doors but if you have a car coming from the opposite direction, it's OK to let them go through and NOT maintain a dominant position." I said but everyone says, stay in a dominant position if you're right and at NO POINT I should go close to a parked car due to the door opening scenario. He said Yes but ideally it's OK to go close to let the cars go past you.
HOW the hell am I going to know what examiner likes what? What if I HAD gone closer to the cars, he could've failed me saying NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, YOU DO NOT GO CLOSE TO THE PARKED CARS!"
2nd Attempt: Uxbridge
After exiting the test center, I drove past an area where there were no obvious 20 mile zone markings on one of the roads so I went up to about 22mph, slowed down when I saw a school coming up in distance, went back upto 30 when I saw the 30 sign.
At the end when returning to the test center on a little straight patch of road, a car driver was coming out of his driveway so I slowed down. He then flashed twice to me indicating to me he is waiting for me to go past. So I drove on.
The examiner failed me on 2 majors saying you drove around 22mph in a 20 mile zone, you'd have got a ticket if there were cameras there. FAIR POINT I accept it but then he said "2nd major was, you should have to let the car driver go if he was on the move. fair enough he flashed at you but what if he flashes, you move and then he changes his mind? He can hit you"
I don't get that. If I am going on a straight road, its my right of way, correct? And if someone flashes then I have to carry on if its safe to do so? Its a straight road and he is coming off the driveway of a house to join in so surely it isn't my fault.
3rd Attempt today: Uxbridge
7 minors on driving too slow in a 40 mile zone.
He said in a 40 mile zone I drove around 30. It was pissing down when I was riding, it was a 40 Mile road I agree but it was a very small road and it was wet. I was riding safely. I went upto the national speed limits on the dual carriageway safely but on that particular small patchy road with potholes and debry, it was only safe for me to do 30 odd just to be sure. He said you look like an experienced driver and seem to have a very good control over the bike but I am not convinced about your SPEED AWARENESS.
I do not know what to do!
My instructor is not the greatest either. Always on his bloody whatsapp, always LATE. Both my last 2 attempts, he was there 10 mins before the exam. I had to rush both times to put the helmet on, gloves on etc. And this time he even got a different bike than the one I practised on, so I couldn't even get a feel of it. I revved a bit high when I first left.
Any good driving schools in Uxbridge? And anything else anyone would like to suggest to me so that I can crack this exam next time?
Thank you!
Sorry newbie here! Couldn't find a thread where I could ask for tips/moan so please pardon my post.
I failed my 3rd MOD 2 test today. And I am on the verge of breaking down and crying.
1st Attempt: Kingston
After a very grumpy examiner who didn't say morning, shook hands and just was generally impolite, I shat my pants once I got on the bike. Drove around pretty confidently and upon my return, he said I am not sure if you're just not confident to drive faster than 25 in 30 miles zones or scared. 7 times you drove around 25 in 30 miles zone so I'm afraid I have to fail you! He also pointed out a minor saying "I know we're in a tight residential zone where cars are parked close to each other and I know you're trying to keep safe distance on your left from the doors but if you have a car coming from the opposite direction, it's OK to let them go through and NOT maintain a dominant position." I said but everyone says, stay in a dominant position if you're right and at NO POINT I should go close to a parked car due to the door opening scenario. He said Yes but ideally it's OK to go close to let the cars go past you.
HOW the hell am I going to know what examiner likes what? What if I HAD gone closer to the cars, he could've failed me saying NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, YOU DO NOT GO CLOSE TO THE PARKED CARS!"
2nd Attempt: Uxbridge
After exiting the test center, I drove past an area where there were no obvious 20 mile zone markings on one of the roads so I went up to about 22mph, slowed down when I saw a school coming up in distance, went back upto 30 when I saw the 30 sign.
At the end when returning to the test center on a little straight patch of road, a car driver was coming out of his driveway so I slowed down. He then flashed twice to me indicating to me he is waiting for me to go past. So I drove on.
The examiner failed me on 2 majors saying you drove around 22mph in a 20 mile zone, you'd have got a ticket if there were cameras there. FAIR POINT I accept it but then he said "2nd major was, you should have to let the car driver go if he was on the move. fair enough he flashed at you but what if he flashes, you move and then he changes his mind? He can hit you"
I don't get that. If I am going on a straight road, its my right of way, correct? And if someone flashes then I have to carry on if its safe to do so? Its a straight road and he is coming off the driveway of a house to join in so surely it isn't my fault.
3rd Attempt today: Uxbridge
7 minors on driving too slow in a 40 mile zone.
He said in a 40 mile zone I drove around 30. It was pissing down when I was riding, it was a 40 Mile road I agree but it was a very small road and it was wet. I was riding safely. I went upto the national speed limits on the dual carriageway safely but on that particular small patchy road with potholes and debry, it was only safe for me to do 30 odd just to be sure. He said you look like an experienced driver and seem to have a very good control over the bike but I am not convinced about your SPEED AWARENESS.
I do not know what to do!
My instructor is not the greatest either. Always on his bloody whatsapp, always LATE. Both my last 2 attempts, he was there 10 mins before the exam. I had to rush both times to put the helmet on, gloves on etc. And this time he even got a different bike than the one I practised on, so I couldn't even get a feel of it. I revved a bit high when I first left.
Any good driving schools in Uxbridge? And anything else anyone would like to suggest to me so that I can crack this exam next time?
Thank you!
- Depressed
Give these guys a call: http://motorcycletraininginsurrey.co.uk/
I passed with them earlier in the year, Derek was class who i learnt with and they intentionally don't use Uxbrdige as the examiners are arses apparently
If you do call them say day with the 4xl helmet recommended.
I passed with them earlier in the year, Derek was class who i learnt with and they intentionally don't use Uxbrdige as the examiners are arses apparently
If you do call them say day with the 4xl helmet recommended.Sounds like you've been unlucky, and I've never had to go through the Mod 1/2 thing because I passed years ago, but even then I do remember them being very hot on you getting up to the speed limit briskly, and not riding below it.
It does make some sense. You're a vulnerable road user and if you ride much below the limit, you put yourself at risk from impatient car drivers who don't give a s
t that it's raining.
Going above the speed limit is an instant fail, and you acknowledge that. You'll know he area next time.
Not sure about the fella pulling out...tricky one.
Have a few more lessons (with a decent instructor - he sounds like a nob), it sounds like you just need to increase your confidence and iron out a few errors.
It does make some sense. You're a vulnerable road user and if you ride much below the limit, you put yourself at risk from impatient car drivers who don't give a s
t that it's raining. Going above the speed limit is an instant fail, and you acknowledge that. You'll know he area next time.
Not sure about the fella pulling out...tricky one.
Have a few more lessons (with a decent instructor - he sounds like a nob), it sounds like you just need to increase your confidence and iron out a few errors.
Two things.
Your instructor should take you round the known test routes and point out the things that often trip people up.
Now, I’m going to sound harsh, but take a look in the mirror. One of the common areas that you’ve failed all three on is speed. You’re riding well below the posted speed limits and that’s not ideal, despite what some on here are saying. You need to get up to speed more quickly. Is this a confidence thing? If so, you need more practice. Did he really fail you for 22 in a 20? How is he measuring that accurately?
The other stuff also sounds fair to me.
Your instructor should take you round the known test routes and point out the things that often trip people up.
Now, I’m going to sound harsh, but take a look in the mirror. One of the common areas that you’ve failed all three on is speed. You’re riding well below the posted speed limits and that’s not ideal, despite what some on here are saying. You need to get up to speed more quickly. Is this a confidence thing? If so, you need more practice. Did he really fail you for 22 in a 20? How is he measuring that accurately?
The other stuff also sounds fair to me.
I should have failed mine a few years back. The examiner told me to take the next left, as Soon as I did he told me left again. I felt it was too late to safety do my obs ant make the turn so I carried on ahead. Whilst I was cursing myself for missing the turn, I missed a 20 sign and continued at 30, didn't realise my error until I hit a 30 sign!!!
Luckily for me the examiner marked it down as a minor!!!
Luckily for me the examiner marked it down as a minor!!!
Keep your chin up.
Back in 1990 I failed my first bike test for "not making sufficient progress". Jesus, it was difficult making any progress on a 1985 KE100.
Anyway, I immediately booked a second test.
And on the day of my second test it was raining hard. Absolutely pissing down, in fact.
So I set off towards the test centre in Wigan. Got to the bottom of Red Rock hill and the frigging bike stopped.
No amount of kicking would get the bugger started again. I was bouncing up and down like an epileptic on a pogo stick, but couldn't even coax a bloody fart from Kawasaki's finest.
And that was that. The appointed hour came and went, so I pushed the damn thing back up Red Rock hill and all the way home in the pissing rain.
But I was not going to be defeated.
So booked a third test, which, according to my driving licence, was on November 7th 1990. Fortunately that went according to plan and I've not half had some fun over the last 27 years.
So don't give up. Get another test booked and look forward to all of the daft bikes you are going to buy.
Back in 1990 I failed my first bike test for "not making sufficient progress". Jesus, it was difficult making any progress on a 1985 KE100.
Anyway, I immediately booked a second test.
And on the day of my second test it was raining hard. Absolutely pissing down, in fact.
So I set off towards the test centre in Wigan. Got to the bottom of Red Rock hill and the frigging bike stopped.
No amount of kicking would get the bugger started again. I was bouncing up and down like an epileptic on a pogo stick, but couldn't even coax a bloody fart from Kawasaki's finest.
And that was that. The appointed hour came and went, so I pushed the damn thing back up Red Rock hill and all the way home in the pissing rain.
But I was not going to be defeated.
So booked a third test, which, according to my driving licence, was on November 7th 1990. Fortunately that went according to plan and I've not half had some fun over the last 27 years.
So don't give up. Get another test booked and look forward to all of the daft bikes you are going to buy.
Test 1 and 3 sound fair enough. Fail.
Test 2 sounds very harsh, but you don't seem confident getting up to speed. Travelling at 25% below the speed limit in the wet is just asking for someone travelling slightly over, which most people tend to do, to rear end you.
Thing is that at the moment you almost have a safety blanket of someone riding behind you looking out for dangers ahead. So you should feel fairly confident getting up to speed quickly in all situations.
When you go out on your own after passing that safety blanket is not there anymore so you will naturally feel less confident and will ride more cautiously without realising, putting yourself in unessesary danger.
The examiner has to be sure that your going to be ok out on your own and he obviously didn't feel that. There looking for a confident safe ride.
Your instructor wants sacking off as well. He's cost you a lot of money and time by the sounds of it.
Test 2 sounds very harsh, but you don't seem confident getting up to speed. Travelling at 25% below the speed limit in the wet is just asking for someone travelling slightly over, which most people tend to do, to rear end you.
Thing is that at the moment you almost have a safety blanket of someone riding behind you looking out for dangers ahead. So you should feel fairly confident getting up to speed quickly in all situations.
When you go out on your own after passing that safety blanket is not there anymore so you will naturally feel less confident and will ride more cautiously without realising, putting yourself in unessesary danger.
The examiner has to be sure that your going to be ok out on your own and he obviously didn't feel that. There looking for a confident safe ride.
Your instructor wants sacking off as well. He's cost you a lot of money and time by the sounds of it.
Gavia said:
Your instructor should take you round the known test routes and point out the things that often trip people up.
This. When I did my test back in 1998 (Hillingdon I think it was) it was a 3 day intensive course. The whole time was spent riding around the roads where the test was so you knew the roads, the speed limits and the tricky junctions etc. You can't guarantee where your examiner will take you but knowing the area well will make a big difference.
Don’t lose faith.
I failed my MOD 2 twice last year, both on the same roundabout. The first one definitely should not have been a fail, a lorry was in the wrong lane and cut me off. The second one was totally my own fault and was just nerves.
I took a day out before the next test on a 125 and rode all the routes, including said roundabout multiple times. I also took my car out and drove them, including parking up by areas that caused me nerves and watching the traffic sort itself out.
3rd time went like a charm. I remember being absolutely gutted though on the first two times. I think if I’m honest though, the nerves that crippled my performance were indicative of my lack of confidence and possibly ability. A bit more practice and I sailed through...
All the best with it
I failed my MOD 2 twice last year, both on the same roundabout. The first one definitely should not have been a fail, a lorry was in the wrong lane and cut me off. The second one was totally my own fault and was just nerves.
I took a day out before the next test on a 125 and rode all the routes, including said roundabout multiple times. I also took my car out and drove them, including parking up by areas that caused me nerves and watching the traffic sort itself out.
3rd time went like a charm. I remember being absolutely gutted though on the first two times. I think if I’m honest though, the nerves that crippled my performance were indicative of my lack of confidence and possibly ability. A bit more practice and I sailed through...
All the best with it
I did my DAS October last year, one of the main things they drummed into me was the examiner is looking for you to make safe progress so get up to speed limits quickly. Certainly at my local centre they weren’t bothered by going a few mph over the limit. I even missed the first bit of a 20 zone, realised my mistake so dropped it down and only got a minor. I was told unlike the car test they actually want you to pass, so as long as your safe there’s a bit more leniency for speed etc. Appreciate this probably varies at different test centres though. Good luck next time!
Keep your chin up buddy and keep going, I guarantee it’s worth it.
Your instructor sounds poor though. The school I used weren’t cheap (£100 for three hour lessons and I did about ten) but I passed Mod 1 and 2 first time with three minors across the two tests.
I didn’t find riding massively natural, I had a huge issue with right turns in particular but with good instructors and patience I gained confidence and competence.
Good luck with No.4 👍🏻
Your instructor sounds poor though. The school I used weren’t cheap (£100 for three hour lessons and I did about ten) but I passed Mod 1 and 2 first time with three minors across the two tests.
I didn’t find riding massively natural, I had a huge issue with right turns in particular but with good instructors and patience I gained confidence and competence.
Good luck with No.4 👍🏻
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