Will it break?
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pattieG

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198 posts

180 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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I've royally screwed the pinch bolt fixing the steering knuckle to damper on my car. I now need to remove the knuckle and damper together in order to get it in a vice. This means loosening the hub nut. I have a 1/2 inch 32mm socket, 450mm breakers bar and an acroprop to slide over it for extra leverage.

Am I likely to break my breakers bar? I don't think I can handle breaking any more tools this week

RIP many sockets.

kambites

71,675 posts

252 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Depends on how good it is, the universal joint can be a weak point in cheap ones. Do you not have anyone you can borrow an impact gun from?

227bhp

10,203 posts

159 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Yes it's likely you will. Buy a sliding Tbar, they don't break.

HustleRussell

26,691 posts

191 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Snapped my Halfords pro 1/2” x 18” breaker bar doing exactly that.

pattieG

Original Poster:

198 posts

180 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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I wish I had a workshop and all the tools. Would make life a lot easier!

I think I'll ring a mobile mechanic. Do I need to put the brake disc and caliper back on? Car can't go back down on it's wheels so I'm guessing someone will need to stand on the brakes to stop the driveshaft turning?

kambites

71,675 posts

252 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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HustleRussell said:
Snapped my Halfords pro 1/2” x 18” breaker bar doing exactly that.
Out of interest, did they replace it?

HustleRussell

26,691 posts

191 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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Didn’t think to try them, bought a new Teng with serviceable knuckle

E-bmw

13,631 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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kambites said:
Depends on how good it is.
One of the few Snap on tools I have for precisely this reason, never let me down even with some severe force on it over the years.

HustleRussell

26,691 posts

191 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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E-bmw said:
kambites said:
Depends on how good it is.
One of the few Snap on tools I have for precisely this reason, never let me down even with some severe force on it over the years.
The nut which defeated my Halfords bar was eventually cracked by my Dad's equivalent Snap On, also 1/2" & 18", even though it is 35 years old minimum and the knuckle pin is held in with duct tape.

E-bmw

13,631 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th April 2018
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My knuckle pin is held in with a st/steel bolt as the OE one fell out some years ago.

Sanchez89

25 posts

105 months

Thursday 5th April 2018
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I think you will crack it loose, remove the 'staking' dent in the nut to make it easier on yourself

Give it a bash, try and do it without a cheater pipe on the end, if it doesn't budge then start extending it.

I find tools only get damaged or break when you are giving them far more grief than they were ever designed for.

I.e an 18" breaker bar knuckle having 48" of leverage put on it

pattieG

Original Poster:

198 posts

180 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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Sanchez89 said:
I think you will crack it loose, remove the 'staking' dent in the nut to make it easier on yourself

Give it a bash, try and do it without a cheater pipe on the end, if it doesn't budge then start extending it.

I find tools only get damaged or break when you are giving them far more grief than they were ever designed for.

I.e an 18" breaker bar knuckle having 48" of leverage put on it


Does that nut look staked to you?

paintman

7,861 posts

221 months

Friday 6th April 2018
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No. It looks like a multi-layer nut. Designed to be self locking.
You don't give any idea as to what car it's on. (Is it a Ka?)
Suggest you look up the tightening torque required for that nut on that car & that will give you an idea of how hard it's going to be getting it off.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's in the region of 250Nm plus.
I believe they can be reused, but only a set number of times before you're supposed to use a new one so you need to check that as well.

Edited by paintman on Friday 6th April 16:51

Sanchez89

25 posts

105 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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Certainly it isn't a staked nut, but it was made as more of a point of ways to try and not snap your breaker bar.

And that isn't any type of nut I've seen before, seeing as it looks loads cleaner than everywhere else on the hub is it some type of cover?

Have you tried fiddling with the 2 tab looking sections to find if it comes off?

Also what the vehicle is would help..

E-bmw

13,631 posts

183 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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Never seen one before but it looks like you bend the 2 tabs out, flip off the front hex cover & then the "top hat" over the nut.

paintman

7,861 posts

221 months

Monday 9th April 2018
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Ford driveshaft nut. Would help if the OP told us what they've actually got.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Ford-Fiesta-ST1...
and
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Ford-Driveshaft...

pattieG

Original Poster:

198 posts

180 months

Tuesday 10th April 2018
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It's a fiesta and it came off surprisingly easy despite supposedly being tightened to 235Nm!

I've bought a new nut as I don't know how many times it has been torqued up.

paintman

7,861 posts

221 months

Tuesday 10th April 2018
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1. Well done.
2. Very sensible!

pattieG

Original Poster:

198 posts

180 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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The trials continue.

With the broken bolt machined out and the knuckle now reattached to the car I turned my attention to changing the original issue of the broken spring. I have the spring compressor ready to go along with the new spring. Can I get the nut of the top of the shock?

Can I bks!%&^*&&$%^^$£%$"%!%$!%$%"%^$££$

Anyone want to buy a 3 wheeled Fiesta?

E-bmw

13,631 posts

183 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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There is only 1 easy way with these if the obvious long socket & allen key doesn't & that is take it yo your local garage & get them to whizz it off with a windy gun, then put it back on enough to get you home & get spring compressors on it.