Generation of excuses
Discussion
anonymous said:
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I think you miss part of the point there - whilst we cannot change the root, the information gained can help us to understand things about why this happened and greater understanding is always a good thing.I would only say it was an excuse if the sentence was reduced or eradicated as a result of it. The background of the criminal seems to get brought up by the press and court whatever it is - if a criminal is from wealthy, loving parents that seems to get just as much attention as far as I've seen
anonymous said:
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Divorce might me the root cause, but it's the consequences of that can severely impact someone's life.For example, lack of a mother may mean a young man grows up with a poor respect for women.
Lack of a father might mean a young woman grows up with "daddy issues".
Both horrendous stereotypes but might be something that could have been averted if identified sooner on.
I finished school in the mid 90s. Around 600 pupils.
We had no one with ADHD. No one on young offenders type schemes, no one had a carer or needed their hands holding to do simple tasks.
No vegans, no one allergic to nuts / fresh air, no one complained about the food. Everyone had a good BMI, maybe 5 or 10 fatties in the whole school.
Come exam time everyone did the same exams in the same conditions. I did my GCSEs with full blown chicken pox. No one cared and I did not get special attention. 35 kids per teacher. No TAs, no special needs. You were either clever, normal or a bit slow. No one seemed to care which group they landed in. Teachers were not afraid to give you a quick slap across the back of the head if needed.
Lots of low income kids, broken homes and general s
tty deals in life but we all got on with it. There was the occasional fight, maybe once a term but on the whole a lot of fuss about nothing.
About half my year went straight to work, other half went on to do a-levels. I would say only 20% went to university.
Some of that might sound harsh but its the reality of what I grew up with. There probably were kids with ADHD or whatever but they just got on with it and personally I think they turned out better for it. I employ some younger people and I would say the last 5 years we have seen a big rise in issues with the way kids are brought through the school system. They seem to want to question everything and expect to be given access to everything without earning it.
We had no one with ADHD. No one on young offenders type schemes, no one had a carer or needed their hands holding to do simple tasks.
No vegans, no one allergic to nuts / fresh air, no one complained about the food. Everyone had a good BMI, maybe 5 or 10 fatties in the whole school.
Come exam time everyone did the same exams in the same conditions. I did my GCSEs with full blown chicken pox. No one cared and I did not get special attention. 35 kids per teacher. No TAs, no special needs. You were either clever, normal or a bit slow. No one seemed to care which group they landed in. Teachers were not afraid to give you a quick slap across the back of the head if needed.
Lots of low income kids, broken homes and general s
tty deals in life but we all got on with it. There was the occasional fight, maybe once a term but on the whole a lot of fuss about nothing. About half my year went straight to work, other half went on to do a-levels. I would say only 20% went to university.
Some of that might sound harsh but its the reality of what I grew up with. There probably were kids with ADHD or whatever but they just got on with it and personally I think they turned out better for it. I employ some younger people and I would say the last 5 years we have seen a big rise in issues with the way kids are brought through the school system. They seem to want to question everything and expect to be given access to everything without earning it.
Hard to imagine a more stupid suggestion than nut allergies are a lifestyle choice!
It's always been the same. Children need nurturing and that takes time and resources.
A completely pragmatic approach, without moral judgment, to resolve juvenile offending would undoubtedly revolve around spending money and time educating children and supporting them. The reason London is in the grip of a crime wave of violence and murder is not because the consequences of involving oneself in crime aren't serious, they indeed are, deadly. The reason there is a crime wave is because of the removal of support for young poor kids to see another direction in their lives.
It's always been the same. Children need nurturing and that takes time and resources.
A completely pragmatic approach, without moral judgment, to resolve juvenile offending would undoubtedly revolve around spending money and time educating children and supporting them. The reason London is in the grip of a crime wave of violence and murder is not because the consequences of involving oneself in crime aren't serious, they indeed are, deadly. The reason there is a crime wave is because of the removal of support for young poor kids to see another direction in their lives.
red_slr said:
I finished school in the mid 90s. Around 600 pupils.
We had no one with ADHD. No one on young offenders type schemes, no one had a carer or needed their hands holding to do simple tasks.
No vegans, no one allergic to nuts / fresh air, no one complained about the food. Everyone had a good BMI, maybe 5 or 10 fatties in the whole school.
Come exam time everyone did the same exams in the same conditions. I did my GCSEs with full blown chicken pox. No one cared and I did not get special attention. 35 kids per teacher. No TAs, no special needs. You were either clever, normal or a bit slow. No one seemed to care which group they landed in. Teachers were not afraid to give you a quick slap across the back of the head if needed.
Lots of low income kids, broken homes and general stty deals in life but we all got on with it. There was the occasional fight, maybe once a term but on the whole a lot of fuss about nothing.
About half my year went straight to work, other half went on to do a-levels. I would say only 20% went to university.
Some of that might sound harsh but its the reality of what I grew up with. There probably were kids with ADHD or whatever but they just got on with it and personally I think they turned out better for it. I employ some younger people and I would say the last 5 years we have seen a big rise in issues with the way kids are brought through the school system. They seem to want to question everything and expect to be given access to everything without earning it.
Completely, absolutely, 100% this. We had no one with ADHD. No one on young offenders type schemes, no one had a carer or needed their hands holding to do simple tasks.
No vegans, no one allergic to nuts / fresh air, no one complained about the food. Everyone had a good BMI, maybe 5 or 10 fatties in the whole school.
Come exam time everyone did the same exams in the same conditions. I did my GCSEs with full blown chicken pox. No one cared and I did not get special attention. 35 kids per teacher. No TAs, no special needs. You were either clever, normal or a bit slow. No one seemed to care which group they landed in. Teachers were not afraid to give you a quick slap across the back of the head if needed.
Lots of low income kids, broken homes and general s
tty deals in life but we all got on with it. There was the occasional fight, maybe once a term but on the whole a lot of fuss about nothing. About half my year went straight to work, other half went on to do a-levels. I would say only 20% went to university.
Some of that might sound harsh but its the reality of what I grew up with. There probably were kids with ADHD or whatever but they just got on with it and personally I think they turned out better for it. I employ some younger people and I would say the last 5 years we have seen a big rise in issues with the way kids are brought through the school system. They seem to want to question everything and expect to be given access to everything without earning it.
Kids that behaved badly got punished rather than having a label hung on them to excuse it.
I Also can't help noticing that a lot of 'ADHD sufferers' seem to have parents that don't or won't actually parent...
Jimmy Recard said:
red_slr said:
I did not say it was a choice... I just said we had none. Its almost like an evolutionary change in our DNA.
You probably just didn't know who had nut allergies. I don't think that it's more common now to be allergic to nuts than it was in the 1980s or 1990sPeanuta non grata: Nobody knows for sure what is causing the increase in peanut allergies, and the only real point of consensus is that the problem is getting worse. After barely meriting a word in medical literature before the 1980s, incidents of peanuts allergies began to creep up in the 1990s. "Allergy to peanuts and tree nuts is the leading cause of fatal allergic reactions in the United States, and the prevalence appears to be increasing," a 2010 study in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology reported. The study found the number of children with documented peanut allergies had increased from 0.4% in 1997 to 0.8% in 2002 to 1.4% in 2008.
HTP99 said:
https://mic.com/articles/125970/when-the-hell-did-...
Peanuta non grata: Nobody knows for sure what is causing the increase in peanut allergies, and the only real point of consensus is that the problem is getting worse. After barely meriting a word in medical literature before the 1980s, incidents of peanuts allergies began to creep up in the 1990s. "Allergy to peanuts and tree nuts is the leading cause of fatal allergic reactions in the United States, and the prevalence appears to be increasing," a 2010 study in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology reported. The study found the number of children with documented peanut allergies had increased from 0.4% in 1997 to 0.8% in 2002 to 1.4% in 2008.
That's quite interesting, but the allergy to peanuts is a separate allergy to the allergy to nuts.Peanuta non grata: Nobody knows for sure what is causing the increase in peanut allergies, and the only real point of consensus is that the problem is getting worse. After barely meriting a word in medical literature before the 1980s, incidents of peanuts allergies began to creep up in the 1990s. "Allergy to peanuts and tree nuts is the leading cause of fatal allergic reactions in the United States, and the prevalence appears to be increasing," a 2010 study in the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology reported. The study found the number of children with documented peanut allergies had increased from 0.4% in 1997 to 0.8% in 2002 to 1.4% in 2008.
I would say it was more likely undocumented prior to that (rather than non-existent), but I'm not expert
red_slr said:
I finished school in the mid 90s. Around 600 pupils.
We had no one with ADHD. No one on young offenders type schemes, no one had a carer or needed their hands holding to do simple tasks.
No vegans, no one allergic to nuts / fresh air, no one complained about the food. Everyone had a good BMI, maybe 5 or 10 fatties in the whole school.
Come exam time everyone did the same exams in the same conditions. I did my GCSEs with full blown chicken pox. No one cared and I did not get special attention. 35 kids per teacher. No TAs, no special needs. You were either clever, normal or a bit slow. No one seemed to care which group they landed in. Teachers were not afraid to give you a quick slap across the back of the head if needed.
Lots of low income kids, broken homes and general stty deals in life but we all got on with it. There was the occasional fight, maybe once a term but on the whole a lot of fuss about nothing.
About half my year went straight to work, other half went on to do a-levels. I would say only 20% went to university.
Some of that might sound harsh but its the reality of what I grew up with. There probably were kids with ADHD or whatever but they just got on with it and personally I think they turned out better for it. I employ some younger people and I would say the last 5 years we have seen a big rise in issues with the way kids are brought through the school system. They seem to want to question everything and expect to be given access to everything without earning it.
Mid 80's for me, but I think you went to the same school I went to.We had no one with ADHD. No one on young offenders type schemes, no one had a carer or needed their hands holding to do simple tasks.
No vegans, no one allergic to nuts / fresh air, no one complained about the food. Everyone had a good BMI, maybe 5 or 10 fatties in the whole school.
Come exam time everyone did the same exams in the same conditions. I did my GCSEs with full blown chicken pox. No one cared and I did not get special attention. 35 kids per teacher. No TAs, no special needs. You were either clever, normal or a bit slow. No one seemed to care which group they landed in. Teachers were not afraid to give you a quick slap across the back of the head if needed.
Lots of low income kids, broken homes and general s
tty deals in life but we all got on with it. There was the occasional fight, maybe once a term but on the whole a lot of fuss about nothing. About half my year went straight to work, other half went on to do a-levels. I would say only 20% went to university.
Some of that might sound harsh but its the reality of what I grew up with. There probably were kids with ADHD or whatever but they just got on with it and personally I think they turned out better for it. I employ some younger people and I would say the last 5 years we have seen a big rise in issues with the way kids are brought through the school system. They seem to want to question everything and expect to be given access to everything without earning it.
FredClogs said:
Hard to imagine a more stupid suggestion than nut allergies are a lifestyle choice!.
It depends what you call a lifestyle choice. The number of children with nut allergies has increased massively since the late 90's, according to some over 300% in the last decade or so.No one knows a definitive cause but one of the popular opinions is lack of exposure to nuts now in younger children because of the fear they may have allergies. It's ironic that this could contribute to getting the allergy in later life. Very similar thoughts that living conditions in much of the world might be too clean and that kids aren’t being exposed to germs that train their immune systems to tell the difference between harmless and harmful irritants.
Jimmy Recard said:
That's quite interesting, but the allergy to peanuts is a separate allergy to the allergy to nuts.
I would say it was more likely undocumented prior to that (rather than non-existent), but I'm not expert
HMG seems to think allergies in general are becoming more common.I would say it was more likely undocumented prior to that (rather than non-existent), but I'm not expert
https://www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/fifth-...
I agree with many that put the blame at the breakdown of the family unit. A lack of family support and discipline and kids will push the boundaries, if there are no boundaries and no consequences the kids have no self restraint.
Add in all the reductions in services and police numbers and the glamour the kids see with gangsta lifestyles portrayed in the media it only takes a bit of peer pressure and bingo .
But it's not all the kids like this . I know and have worked with loads of kids that are fabulous to know and without fail they all have close , supportive , loving families , even the ones with divorced parents or single parents .
Add in all the reductions in services and police numbers and the glamour the kids see with gangsta lifestyles portrayed in the media it only takes a bit of peer pressure and bingo .
But it's not all the kids like this . I know and have worked with loads of kids that are fabulous to know and without fail they all have close , supportive , loving families , even the ones with divorced parents or single parents .
Ari said:
red_slr said:
I finished school in the mid 90s. Around 600 pupils.
We had no one with ADHD. No one on young offenders type schemes, no one had a carer or needed their hands holding to do simple tasks.
No vegans, no one allergic to nuts / fresh air, no one complained about the food. Everyone had a good BMI, maybe 5 or 10 fatties in the whole school.
Come exam time everyone did the same exams in the same conditions. I did my GCSEs with full blown chicken pox. No one cared and I did not get special attention. 35 kids per teacher. No TAs, no special needs. You were either clever, normal or a bit slow. No one seemed to care which group they landed in. Teachers were not afraid to give you a quick slap across the back of the head if needed.
Lots of low income kids, broken homes and general stty deals in life but we all got on with it. There was the occasional fight, maybe once a term but on the whole a lot of fuss about nothing.
About half my year went straight to work, other half went on to do a-levels. I would say only 20% went to university.
Some of that might sound harsh but its the reality of what I grew up with. There probably were kids with ADHD or whatever but they just got on with it and personally I think they turned out better for it. I employ some younger people and I would say the last 5 years we have seen a big rise in issues with the way kids are brought through the school system. They seem to want to question everything and expect to be given access to everything without earning it.
Completely, absolutely, 100% this. We had no one with ADHD. No one on young offenders type schemes, no one had a carer or needed their hands holding to do simple tasks.
No vegans, no one allergic to nuts / fresh air, no one complained about the food. Everyone had a good BMI, maybe 5 or 10 fatties in the whole school.
Come exam time everyone did the same exams in the same conditions. I did my GCSEs with full blown chicken pox. No one cared and I did not get special attention. 35 kids per teacher. No TAs, no special needs. You were either clever, normal or a bit slow. No one seemed to care which group they landed in. Teachers were not afraid to give you a quick slap across the back of the head if needed.
Lots of low income kids, broken homes and general s
tty deals in life but we all got on with it. There was the occasional fight, maybe once a term but on the whole a lot of fuss about nothing. About half my year went straight to work, other half went on to do a-levels. I would say only 20% went to university.
Some of that might sound harsh but its the reality of what I grew up with. There probably were kids with ADHD or whatever but they just got on with it and personally I think they turned out better for it. I employ some younger people and I would say the last 5 years we have seen a big rise in issues with the way kids are brought through the school system. They seem to want to question everything and expect to be given access to everything without earning it.
Kids that behaved badly got punished rather than having a label hung on them to excuse it.
I Also can't help noticing that a lot of 'ADHD sufferers' seem to have parents that don't or won't actually parent...
Mediocrity is upheld and even aspired to. There are no winners or losers, and this is accepted as being good. Average-ness has become the standard and kids with drive or passion simply don’t seem to exist anymore
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