The ultimate evolution.... Test drive of 720S
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I finally had a test drive of a 720S. I have previously driven the 570S and the 12C (various tracks, and road).
Spoiler alert: I LOVED the 720S. I never felt even remotely the same way about the 458 Speciale, 488 or Huracan Performante upon driving each of those! The 720S is a seriously special car.
The aero channels and design are stunning. The double skin doors are very cool. Overall, its design features are utterly stunning in the metal. The much talked about, and often criticised [almost always by those who have never seen a 720S close up in the metal] eye sockets look great and full of detail in the metal, especially when specced in carbon fibre. Photographs and even video absolutely do not do the 720S justice.
This car has a full carbon tub, including roof like the P1 and F1 (and i8), but unlike all other McLarens, which only have partial carbon tubs. Ferrari by comparison continue to plod on with bonded aluminium, and Lamborghini reserve their full carbon tub only for the Aventador. This of course makes it light, and very stiff. But it also allows the 720S to have amazing visibility, thin pillars, and glass C pillars. The seating position is perfect and very central, unlike its competitors.
The carbon ceramic brakes plus huge air brake, are utterly awesome and feel like dropping an anchor in the asphalt! It has incredible stopping power with perfect stability and control. I would say these are the best brakes in its class. The brake pedal requires firm pressure and reminded me of the feel in a non servo old model Elise or Exige. I liked that.
The 720S has a fighter jet look and feel inside it, due to its all around glass canopy, especially if specced with gorilla glass roof panels in the doors. It feels like it goes like a fighter jet too.
Acceleration is utterly incredible, and unlike a Tesla P100D in insane mode, the 720S just keeps pushing on and on. It is scary quick in fact, bordering on terrifyingly so such that you feel you are only just hanging on to it! There is so much power in any gear that you can realistically only use 100% throttle for 2-3 seconds at most on road. It is simply that fast and powerful, combined with its very light weight.
This is by far the fastest car I have ever driven. Not the most frightening though, as that honour remains with the F40.
The 720S has precision handling and steering. It is very easy to place, and is very precise. Scalpel like, rather than edgy and playful like a 458 or 488. Steering feels like a big S1 Exige, and is very direct and communicative. The 720S feels small to drive, yet huge, airy, bright and spacious on the inside - unlike all competitors, including all other modern McLarens.
The ride comfort is simply astonishing. In Comfort/Comfort, the 720S rides more comfortably than my i8 in Comfort mode! Yet it corners flat. But in Sport/Sport the 720S is firmer than my i8 in Sport mode. In Track/Track it is even firmer and more aggressive in its responses.
The 720S is quiet at low RPM, yet it starts making lots of "interesting sounds" at higher RPM and when lifting off. Turbo whistle, wastegate, some popping in the exhaust. The sound is somewhat subdued though and is definitely its weakest aspect. The Huracan Performante by comparison sounds absolutely glorious and better than anything else.
The 720S had too much power for its P Zero tyres on anything other than a pool table surface. It will break traction in 3rd on a straight, with stability systems compensating - albeit very well and unobtrusively. I felt it would be much better on the optional Corsa tyres, at least in summer on dry roads. (The 570S I drove was on Corsa tyres.)
The 4 speaker sound system is utterly rubbish. I did not hear the optional 12 speaker Bowers & Wilkins system.
The moving dash is truly useful, and switching to track mode is genuinely useful when pressing on. I had expected it to be just a gimmick.
Comfort, Sport, and Track settings adjust separately for handling and power-train and are user friendly, and make a noticeable difference. The 720S inspires confidence, even in Track/Track. I did try the variable drift control settings, but only when playing around with settings, not actually whilst driving it.
The 720S is so far ahead of the old 12C (or its updated 650 facelift model) that it feels like its from a different manufacturer. The 12C felt unsettled at the limit, especially under braking and did not inspire confidence close to the limit. It also did not feel "fun" on track, or road. The 720S encourages the driver, and seemed to adapt to how I was driving it at any point. Truly astonishing and feels like witchcraft when you experience it.
By the way, the 570S Spider feels rather like a super quick Elise to drive, in a good way, and of course better in every respect.
The Huracan Performante leads the pack for its amazing engine and ease of going very quickly with 4WD. However it has big negative points for visibility, its non-Lambo doors and (IMHO) its dated looks. It has some, but limited, carbon construction.
The 488 wins for the badge, great residuals and 7 year servicing thrown in. It has a huge negative for still using bonded aluminium construction. It is also the slowest by quite some margin. In fact I am completely confident the 720S will prove faster than the 488 Pista too.
The 720S is so far ahead of its competitors that there really is no valid comparison to make. In performance, it is comparable to hypercars like La Ferrari, P1 and 918 Spider. Amazingly it is not comparable in price though.
The last time I was so enthused about a car, and thought it was "virtually perfect" in its purpose and segment, was when I did my first two test drives of the i8.
It feels like a bargain at the price, although the starting price for 720S Performance has gone up from £218k to £225k just a few days ago! They are clearly selling well.
It's noticeably more expensive than a 488, or even a Huracan Performante. I am informed that on the road, with a modest spec it costs £250k. Or about £275k now for a more typical spec. It will be over £350k with all options (without duplication). And with MSO options, the sky's the limit! (MSO = McLaren Special Operations.) Carbon options are particularly expensive.
The 720S is a Hypercar for a little more than typical Supercar money. Hence my view that it really is a bargain in this sector.
To drive, it is the ultimate evolution of the non-hybrid hypercar, before future McLaren (and competitor) models all start to become hybrid. A true cold stone modern classic.
Spoiler alert: I LOVED the 720S. I never felt even remotely the same way about the 458 Speciale, 488 or Huracan Performante upon driving each of those! The 720S is a seriously special car.
The aero channels and design are stunning. The double skin doors are very cool. Overall, its design features are utterly stunning in the metal. The much talked about, and often criticised [almost always by those who have never seen a 720S close up in the metal] eye sockets look great and full of detail in the metal, especially when specced in carbon fibre. Photographs and even video absolutely do not do the 720S justice.
This car has a full carbon tub, including roof like the P1 and F1 (and i8), but unlike all other McLarens, which only have partial carbon tubs. Ferrari by comparison continue to plod on with bonded aluminium, and Lamborghini reserve their full carbon tub only for the Aventador. This of course makes it light, and very stiff. But it also allows the 720S to have amazing visibility, thin pillars, and glass C pillars. The seating position is perfect and very central, unlike its competitors.
The carbon ceramic brakes plus huge air brake, are utterly awesome and feel like dropping an anchor in the asphalt! It has incredible stopping power with perfect stability and control. I would say these are the best brakes in its class. The brake pedal requires firm pressure and reminded me of the feel in a non servo old model Elise or Exige. I liked that.
The 720S has a fighter jet look and feel inside it, due to its all around glass canopy, especially if specced with gorilla glass roof panels in the doors. It feels like it goes like a fighter jet too.
Acceleration is utterly incredible, and unlike a Tesla P100D in insane mode, the 720S just keeps pushing on and on. It is scary quick in fact, bordering on terrifyingly so such that you feel you are only just hanging on to it! There is so much power in any gear that you can realistically only use 100% throttle for 2-3 seconds at most on road. It is simply that fast and powerful, combined with its very light weight.
This is by far the fastest car I have ever driven. Not the most frightening though, as that honour remains with the F40.
The 720S has precision handling and steering. It is very easy to place, and is very precise. Scalpel like, rather than edgy and playful like a 458 or 488. Steering feels like a big S1 Exige, and is very direct and communicative. The 720S feels small to drive, yet huge, airy, bright and spacious on the inside - unlike all competitors, including all other modern McLarens.
The ride comfort is simply astonishing. In Comfort/Comfort, the 720S rides more comfortably than my i8 in Comfort mode! Yet it corners flat. But in Sport/Sport the 720S is firmer than my i8 in Sport mode. In Track/Track it is even firmer and more aggressive in its responses.
The 720S is quiet at low RPM, yet it starts making lots of "interesting sounds" at higher RPM and when lifting off. Turbo whistle, wastegate, some popping in the exhaust. The sound is somewhat subdued though and is definitely its weakest aspect. The Huracan Performante by comparison sounds absolutely glorious and better than anything else.
The 720S had too much power for its P Zero tyres on anything other than a pool table surface. It will break traction in 3rd on a straight, with stability systems compensating - albeit very well and unobtrusively. I felt it would be much better on the optional Corsa tyres, at least in summer on dry roads. (The 570S I drove was on Corsa tyres.)
The 4 speaker sound system is utterly rubbish. I did not hear the optional 12 speaker Bowers & Wilkins system.
The moving dash is truly useful, and switching to track mode is genuinely useful when pressing on. I had expected it to be just a gimmick.
Comfort, Sport, and Track settings adjust separately for handling and power-train and are user friendly, and make a noticeable difference. The 720S inspires confidence, even in Track/Track. I did try the variable drift control settings, but only when playing around with settings, not actually whilst driving it.
The 720S is so far ahead of the old 12C (or its updated 650 facelift model) that it feels like its from a different manufacturer. The 12C felt unsettled at the limit, especially under braking and did not inspire confidence close to the limit. It also did not feel "fun" on track, or road. The 720S encourages the driver, and seemed to adapt to how I was driving it at any point. Truly astonishing and feels like witchcraft when you experience it.
By the way, the 570S Spider feels rather like a super quick Elise to drive, in a good way, and of course better in every respect.
The Huracan Performante leads the pack for its amazing engine and ease of going very quickly with 4WD. However it has big negative points for visibility, its non-Lambo doors and (IMHO) its dated looks. It has some, but limited, carbon construction.
The 488 wins for the badge, great residuals and 7 year servicing thrown in. It has a huge negative for still using bonded aluminium construction. It is also the slowest by quite some margin. In fact I am completely confident the 720S will prove faster than the 488 Pista too.
The 720S is so far ahead of its competitors that there really is no valid comparison to make. In performance, it is comparable to hypercars like La Ferrari, P1 and 918 Spider. Amazingly it is not comparable in price though.
The last time I was so enthused about a car, and thought it was "virtually perfect" in its purpose and segment, was when I did my first two test drives of the i8.
It feels like a bargain at the price, although the starting price for 720S Performance has gone up from £218k to £225k just a few days ago! They are clearly selling well.
It's noticeably more expensive than a 488, or even a Huracan Performante. I am informed that on the road, with a modest spec it costs £250k. Or about £275k now for a more typical spec. It will be over £350k with all options (without duplication). And with MSO options, the sky's the limit! (MSO = McLaren Special Operations.) Carbon options are particularly expensive.
The 720S is a Hypercar for a little more than typical Supercar money. Hence my view that it really is a bargain in this sector.
To drive, it is the ultimate evolution of the non-hybrid hypercar, before future McLaren (and competitor) models all start to become hybrid. A true cold stone modern classic.
McLaren keeps asking me when I want to test drive it and I am sure it will be awesome. Having said that, I just drove my low powered Scuderia from Frankfurt to Munich and I am not sure I need or even would want even faster acceleration. Maybe it is just me, but passing other cars at 250-270kph and closing speeds under full accleleration feel fast enough for me - not sure I would want to drive significantly faster - and even the Scud and the FF could accelerate faster or go faster top speed (330 plus I believe) when properly using full throttle.
Maybe other people just drive a lot faster than me ..... just not sure it is sensible nowadays
Genuine question - how many owners have driven a 720 or similar powered car at full throttle for extended periods of time?
Maybe other people just drive a lot faster than me ..... just not sure it is sensible nowadays
Genuine question - how many owners have driven a 720 or similar powered car at full throttle for extended periods of time?
MDL111 said:
Genuine question - how many owners have driven a 720 or similar powered car at full throttle for extended periods of time?
You really couldn't. Not even on the Autobahn, as top speed is 212mph.But it's not really about going flat out with *any* of these cars, including your Ferrari. Even on track, it would take a race driver to push any of them to 10/10th. Even using their electronic assistance, we ordinary drivers simply cannot drive them that fast consistently on track.
On road, no one should even try.
Heck, I can't even push my i8 to 10/10th on road. Even it is too quick to do that, never mind *any* supercar.
Gameface said:
All Huracans have some carbon construction, not just the Performante.
I know. What I said is the Performante (which is what I was comparing) has limited carbon construction (as you say, in common with any Huracan). Performante of course also has lots of (forged) carbon trim bits too.Great and interesting review, thanks!
Highlights to me how differently you can view cars and why everyone should test things they are interested in and not rely on the views of others.
I like the i8. Very clever. But only encouraged me to drive slowly. Didn’t find it engaging at speed at all.
I am one of the only people I know who thinks the 458 is horrible on the road. It has no front end at all. I genuinely cannot understand the love for it.....the 488 is so much better resolved (again just my opinion on feel and I guess how I like cars to behave)
Totally agree with your view on the 570 - feels amazingly like a very fast Elise but with much more of everything.
I think the 650 is already too fast for the road so will enjoy spanking the 720 a bit later this year!
Highlights to me how differently you can view cars and why everyone should test things they are interested in and not rely on the views of others.
I like the i8. Very clever. But only encouraged me to drive slowly. Didn’t find it engaging at speed at all.
I am one of the only people I know who thinks the 458 is horrible on the road. It has no front end at all. I genuinely cannot understand the love for it.....the 488 is so much better resolved (again just my opinion on feel and I guess how I like cars to behave)
Totally agree with your view on the 570 - feels amazingly like a very fast Elise but with much more of everything.
I think the 650 is already too fast for the road so will enjoy spanking the 720 a bit later this year!
Can't argue with what you say and its more HYPERcar than Supercar.
Whilst I appreciate all the aero etc I still don't think its a pretty car and like all McLarens its almost too good for its own good.
Its too fast and refined and just doesn't sound and feel like a supercar IMHO.
I like my cars to be a little rawer so waiting for the next LT before considering upgrading the 650S Spider
Whilst I appreciate all the aero etc I still don't think its a pretty car and like all McLarens its almost too good for its own good.
Its too fast and refined and just doesn't sound and feel like a supercar IMHO.
I like my cars to be a little rawer so waiting for the next LT before considering upgrading the 650S Spider
Nightmare said:
Great and interesting review, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you 
Yes, you are right. We all know what appeals to us, and need to try for ourselves. For example, I was only into very hardcore raw cars (owned a lightweight S1 Exige heavily custom with Honda SC CC 350bhp), and would never have imagined liking a hybrid. Then I test drove the i8, and my perspective was turned on its head.
I do find it engaging at speed btw, and have tracked it. It's not suited to the track though, as its battery drains after 10 laps or so under track use.
Nice to see you could relate to most of what I wrote though.
RamboLambo said:
Can't argue with what you say and its more HYPERcar than Supercar.
Thank you, and I can certainly understand the desire for a more raw, particularly louder, version.I've had my share of raw cars i.e. the Lotus and others. I would prefer the 720S louder (and possibly more raw too), and that is its weak point as I wrote. It is however exceptionally good nevertheless.
justin220 said:
Great read, thanks for posting. Tempted to get one?
A lot of what you have written are pretty much my thoughts, but on the lower 540C, including the poor stereo. I guess it depends what you are used to. I'd love to try a 720S
I actually also concluded that if I wanted a convertible, I'd pick the 570S Spider over any other available convertible. It was so good. Like a supercar version of the Elise. That's a huge positive from me, as a massive Elise/Exige fan.A lot of what you have written are pretty much my thoughts, but on the lower 540C, including the poor stereo. I guess it depends what you are used to. I'd love to try a 720S
Yes indeed, the downside is it made me want the 720S so very badly .... same as happened after my i8 test drives, where I ended up buying one.
So, I will indeed be getting one. It will be a highly specced Azores 720S Performance.
I hate the options prices..... but "in for a penny, in for a pound"
LotusJas said:
Thank you, and I can certainly understand the desire for a more raw, particularly louder, version.
I've had my share of raw cars i.e. the Lotus and others. I would prefer the 720S louder (and possibly more raw too), and that is its weak point as I wrote. It is however exceptionally good nevertheless.
Its amazing no doubt as all McLarens are IMHO. I'm really hoping they go a bit more hardcore with the next LT version. I've had my share of raw cars i.e. the Lotus and others. I would prefer the 720S louder (and possibly more raw too), and that is its weak point as I wrote. It is however exceptionally good nevertheless.
If they addressed the sound it would go a long way
RamboLambo said:
Its amazing no doubt as all McLarens are IMHO. I'm really hoping they go a bit more hardcore with the next LT version.
If they addressed the sound it would go a long way
I'm sure the LT will offer exactly that If they addressed the sound it would go a long way
I was told though that the LT will only be offered to current 720S buyers. Time will tell if that's true, but I do consider it probable.btw I am No1 on my dealer's list for the LT.
By the way, I've heard videos with the current car with aftermarket exhaust and decat. It is a LOT louder. Although not any more "tuneful".
Nightmare said:
I am one of the only people I know who thinks the 458 is horrible on the road. It has no front end at all.
Have to say I'm really surprised by that. no front end, especially on the road has not been a criticism of Ferrari cars for a long time. If anything I think the 45 is setup to be too loose at the rear..
isaldiri said:
Nightmare said:
I am one of the only people I know who thinks the 458 is horrible on the road. It has no front end at all.
Have to say I'm really surprised by that. no front end, especially on the road has not been a criticism of Ferrari cars for a long time. If anything I think the 45 is setup to be too loose at the rear..
isaldiri said:
Nightmare said:
I am one of the only people I know who thinks the 458 is horrible on the road. It has no front end at all.
Have to say I'm really surprised by that. no front end, especially on the road has not been a criticism of Ferrari cars for a long time. If anything I think the 45 is setup to be too loose at the rear..
The front tyres are very wide and the steering is very assisted. It is exactly what RL said - twitchy and not confidence inspiring. I tried every setting as well and it just felt like it could hop off the road at any given bumpy corner. Also CC brakes just wouldn’t gain enough heat in normal driving and were downright scary in the wet/cold.
I imagine it’s fabulous on a track but for the road I thought it was horrible.
I’ve also b
hed a lot about the shoddy gearbox in the Aventador but no one else seems to agree with that either (actually I think Anjum does and we are both old school lambo guys!)In summary - why you really have to drive stuff yourself if you’re gonna buy it I think!
Nope, I too agree and have said before that the 458 steering is too light and twitchy...and which was hugely disappointing as at the time it was and had been my dream car. Got back in my Evora and thought it was a far better drivers car, even if it did lack 200hp!
Also agree about the crap Aventador gearbox...what a shame because I thought it had a very good and playful chassis...which was a huge surprise.
However don`t agree about 12C comments about being nervous at the limit etc...I find it extremely stable and controllable, and despite the press reports, very playful (but totally controllable)...think it has a lot to do with tyres and how the car is set up.
No doubt the 720S is a noticeable step up and the report makes it sound fantastic, but there are also some very good comments about how much performance can you actually use on the road...and therefore what is the point in most of Europe? Even my comparably decrepit 12C is monstrously quick...the other factor is how much torque can you put through the tyres...I get the impression that my car does not unleash full torque until in excess of 120+mph, so what is the point in having even more power, except at even higher speeds where clearly the more powerful car will walk away.
Personally I do not like the style of the air intake/headlight unit and I have seen them in the flesh...it just about worked on a black car I looked at, which is a colour which I think suits McLarens really well.
Good write up though...
Also agree about the crap Aventador gearbox...what a shame because I thought it had a very good and playful chassis...which was a huge surprise.
However don`t agree about 12C comments about being nervous at the limit etc...I find it extremely stable and controllable, and despite the press reports, very playful (but totally controllable)...think it has a lot to do with tyres and how the car is set up.
No doubt the 720S is a noticeable step up and the report makes it sound fantastic, but there are also some very good comments about how much performance can you actually use on the road...and therefore what is the point in most of Europe? Even my comparably decrepit 12C is monstrously quick...the other factor is how much torque can you put through the tyres...I get the impression that my car does not unleash full torque until in excess of 120+mph, so what is the point in having even more power, except at even higher speeds where clearly the more powerful car will walk away.
Personally I do not like the style of the air intake/headlight unit and I have seen them in the flesh...it just about worked on a black car I looked at, which is a colour which I think suits McLarens really well.
Good write up though...
Nightmare said:
I’m sure it must be me as no review has ever said it (though what Rambo said is exactly that and I’ve spoken to a couple of proper race drivers who said the same)
The front tyres are very wide and the steering is very assisted. It is exactly what RL said - twitchy and not confidence inspiring. I tried every setting as well and it just felt like it could hop off the road at any given bumpy corner.
Perhaps it's just a difference of expressing what we think. I agree, the steering is too twitchy (the steering rack imo is far too fast) and because of that (plus the loose rear) is what to my mind is a cheap way of making the car feel 'exciting'. That to me isn't 'no front end' but more a problem of insufficient rear grip for the front end though not 'no front end'. I'm probably over analysing things to be fair!The front tyres are very wide and the steering is very assisted. It is exactly what RL said - twitchy and not confidence inspiring. I tried every setting as well and it just felt like it could hop off the road at any given bumpy corner.
isaldiri said:
Perhaps it's just a difference of expressing what we think. I agree, the steering is too twitchy (the steering rack imo is far too fast) and because of that (plus the loose rear) is what to my mind is a cheap way of making the car feel 'exciting'. That to me isn't 'no front end' but more a problem of insufficient rear grip for the front end though not 'no front end'. I'm probably over analysing things to be fair!
you say potato..... you’re probably right - i definitely ain’t no chassis guru so my description could well be wrong! I definitely agree with what you’ve said. I should probably have just stuck to saying ‘overall it feels twitchy as hell which I really don’t like on the road’ Gassing Station | McLaren | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff