"Speed Cameras Fact vs Fiction"

[AMG Merc]

FYI...

https://www.pocketgpsworld.com/Speed-Cameras-Fact-...

[djc206]

Interesting thanks. They’re wrong about the fastest known speed though, some idiot filmed himself doing 192mph! A quick google suggests actual speeding tickets have been issued for speeds higher than 159mph as well.

[rscott]

Wrong about the NIP though. It has to be served on the RK within 14 days (so has to have arrived within that timescale).

[anonymous-user]

Article said:

The fastest known speed on a UK road was PC Mark Milton who hit 159mph testing his squad car on the M54 (and was subsequently cleared of dangerous driving).

This is wrong.

[vonhosen]

La Liga said:

Article said:

The fastest known speed on a UK road was PC Mark Milton who hit 159mph testing his squad car on the M54 (and was subsequently cleared of dangerous driving).

This is wrong.

It wasn't a speed camera that recorded his 159mph either. It was the camera in his own car.
And yes, he was eventually convicted of dangerous driving.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 21st April 16:03

[robinessex]

Weren't a couple of Japs caught doing +200mph on the A1?

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Td1E9_eOPk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Vcx3zRE-0

Edited by robinessex on Saturday 21st April 16:04

Edited by robinessex on Saturday 21st April 16:05

[maeger]

Thanks for reminding me about Smokey Nagata in 2018, completely forgot about him. Now I better do my annual viewing of his Midnight Blast videos..

I wonder how he is doing nowadays. IIRC he got banned from the UK or something after doing that stunt, but it might be BS.

[Jasandjules]

They should have noted

"Speed Cameras Save Lives" - No, in fact excessive speed is the primary cause of around 3% of accidents.

[vonhosen]

Jasandjules said:

They should have noted

"Speed Cameras Save Lives" - No, in fact excessive speed is the primary cause of around 3% of accidents.

If lives are the concern then it's excessive speed's causation within fatality accidents that's important (not all accidents). Exceeding the limit is a causation factor in 15% of fatality collisions.
Which is the 4th highest identifiable factor (after loss of control 30%, failed to look properly 27% & careless/reckless or in a hurry 20%).

[Jasandjules]

Perhaps more effort should be directed towards to the top three then eh?

[vonhosen]

Jasandjules said:

Perhaps more effort should be directed towards to the top three then eh?

The exceeding the limit 15% probably factored in a lot of the top 3.
ie The loss of control would have happened at speeds in excess of the limit in a lot of cases & speed would have been a factor in the loss of control.

[chippy348]

La Liga said:

his is wrong.

Speed
Location
OR ???

[vonhosen]

chippy348 said:

La Liga said:

his is wrong.

Speed
Location
OR ???

Speed being fastest & it not being dangerous driving.

[Speed Badger]

I caught a couple of cars racing through a Gatso a second apart both doing 150mph. One was a Chrysler Crossfire and the other was a Fiat Coupe Turbo. We also had a Police Response vehicle doing 162mph, he got a slapped wrist but was genuinely heading to a life & death call.

[Somewhatfoolish]

Speed Badger said:

I caught a couple of cars racing through a Gatso a second apart both doing 150mph. One was a Chrysler Crossfire and the other was a Fiat Coupe Turbo. We also had a Police Response vehicle doing 162mph, he got a slapped wrist but was genuinely heading to a life & death call.

I don't understand why he even got a slapped wrist, is there some kind of force policy in your area restricting speeds?

[Speed Badger]

Somewhatfoolish said:

I don't understand why he even got a slapped wrist, is there some kind of force policy in your area restricting speeds?

It was an A-road in London .

[Willy Nilly]

Jasandjules said:

Perhaps more effort should be directed towards to the top three then eh?

Don't be daft. Much easier to go after what's a doddle to measure.

[jm doc]

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

They should have noted

"Speed Cameras Save Lives" - No, in fact excessive speed is the primary cause of around 3% of accidents.

If lives are the concern then it's excessive speed's causation within fatality accidents that's important (not all accidents). Exceeding the limit is a causation factor in 15% of fatality collisions.
Which is the 4th highest identifiable factor (after loss of control 30%, failed to look properly 27% & careless/reckless or in a hurry 20%).

As far as I'm aware, the 15% figure applies to young drivers. Overall the figure for fatalities involving exceeding the speed limit is around 5-7%, and that doesn't mean that the limit was the cause of the fatality.

Of course, with the mass reduction of speed limits nationwide, this figure may now be skewed. I'm sure this wasn't the main aim of the reduction, clearly making money will always be policy makers main motivation, but it all helps to reinforce the fiction spouted about speed by those in authority and those with vested interests. (Sometimes one and the same)

[vonhosen]

jm doc said:

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

They should have noted

"Speed Cameras Save Lives" - No, in fact excessive speed is the primary cause of around 3% of accidents.

If lives are the concern then it's excessive speed's causation within fatality accidents that's important (not all accidents). Exceeding the limit is a causation factor in 15% of fatality collisions.
Which is the 4th highest identifiable factor (after loss of control 30%, failed to look properly 27% & careless/reckless or in a hurry 20%).

As far as I'm aware, the 15% figure applies to young drivers. Overall the figure for fatalities involving exceeding the speed limit is around 5-7%, and that doesn't mean that the limit was the cause of the fatality.

Of course, with the mass reduction of speed limits nationwide, this figure may now be skewed. I'm sure this wasn't the main aim of the reduction, clearly making money will always be policy makers main motivation, but it all helps to reinforce the fiction spouted about speed by those in authority and those with vested interests. (Sometimes one and the same)

Nope 15% is for all fatality collisions, not just those involving young drivers.
The limit itself won't be the cause of the fatality, the driver who was exceeding it will be.

[jm doc]

vonhosen said:

jm doc said:

vonhosen said:

Jasandjules said:

They should have noted

"Speed Cameras Save Lives" - No, in fact excessive speed is the primary cause of around 3% of accidents.

If lives are the concern then it's excessive speed's causation within fatality accidents that's important (not all accidents). Exceeding the limit is a causation factor in 15% of fatality collisions.
Which is the 4th highest identifiable factor (after loss of control 30%, failed to look properly 27% & careless/reckless or in a hurry 20%).

As far as I'm aware, the 15% figure applies to young drivers. Overall the figure for fatalities involving exceeding the speed limit is around 5-7%, and that doesn't mean that the limit was the cause of the fatality.

Of course, with the mass reduction of speed limits nationwide, this figure may now be skewed. I'm sure this wasn't the main aim of the reduction, clearly making money will always be policy makers main motivation, but it all helps to reinforce the fiction spouted about speed by those in authority and those with vested interests. (Sometimes one and the same)

Nope 15% is for all fatality collisions, not just those involving young drivers.
The limit itself won't be the cause of the fatality, the driver who was exceeding it will be.

Well I think that's a very recent figure, you haven't quoted a source but I am clear in my mind that previously the stated figures were as I posted. If this is the figure now being quoted then I suspect that there has been some significant massaging of statistics which is quite concerning and supports my second comment.